[Jeff Winston]

Still trying to lie Jeff. The article is here for anyone who wishes to read the whole thing. It was explicitly noted that being BORN IN CHARLESTON was insufficient proof.

Noted by the anonymous writer of the letter, who admitted himself that he wasn't certain he was correct.

NOT noted by the Madison Administration.

So once again you are twisting the matter.

That's why it took a Congressman and a Supreme Court justice to round up sufficient proof and present it to James Monroe before they would intercede on behalf of James McClure.

And what did that proof consist of? Documents proving that James McClure was BORN IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA.

Only then did the Madison administration act. Prior to that, they had left James McClure IN FRENCH CUSTODY FOR A YEAR AND SEVEN MONTHS!

I looked at the time line on this. It took weeks for communication across the Atlantic Ocean, and the Madison Administration acted pretty promptly once the matter became well known.

No, it's pretty certain that whomever Publius was, he certainly put forth the position held by the James Madison Administration, complete with knowledge unobtainable by any other source.

No, he didn't. Publius' position was that James McClure was not a US citizen. The Madison Administration's position was that James McClure WAS a US citizen, because he had been born in South Carolina.

The two positions are, in fact, opposite.

This is what you do. You take black, and proclaim it to be white. You take white, and proclaim it to be black. Why? Because DiogenesLamp wants it to be that way.

How do you suppose that "Publius" knew more about the case than did James McClure's lawyer? Where would he have garnered this information?

He didn't.

And the details of the case were public knowledge. Publius' own letter begins: "The case of this man has made a good deal of stir in the U. States..."

[DiogenesLamp]

And what did that proof consist of? Documents proving that James McClure was BORN IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA.

John Armstrong had that nearly two years previously. He adjudged it not sufficient. Obviously it doesn't take a Supreme Court Judge and a Congressman to convey a recognition of birth in Charleston. What documents they brought are not specified in the Monroe letter, but they were certainly more than an attestation of birth.

As Publius outlined, what was required was proof that South Carolina law naturalized the already born children of a naturalized citizen. I have little doubt that what the Judge and Congressman brought was an attestation that it did.

I looked at the time line on this. It took weeks for communication across the Atlantic Ocean, and the Madison Administration acted pretty promptly once the matter became well known.

And how long does Jeff think is the NORMAL time delay across the Atlantic at this time? Nearly a year each way? Think again.

Corroboration of Atlantic crossing times in the 1700's:

- straight line distance from Southampton to Philadelphia = 3301 nautical miles, or 3796 miles; adding 15% for variation = 4365 mi.;

- a reasonable average sailing speed for a three masted brig, barque, or merchant ship may be estimated at 4-5 knots

- knot (nautical mile) = 1.15 miles, 4 knots/hr = 4.6 mph

- at 4.6 mph, 4365 miles is covered in 39.5 days

- if sailing against the gulf current, losing 60 miles per day, apparent speed is reduced by 60/24 = 2.5 mph loss

- apparent speed against the gulf stream = 4.6 mph -2.5 = 2.1 mph

- if two-thirds of the trip is against the gulf stream current, then .67 x 3992 = 2925 miles at 2.1 mph, 1441 miles at 4.6 mph

- time of passage if 2/3 of trip is against the current = 71.1 days (almost twice as long)

- distance from Southampton to Philadelphia via the Azores including 15% variation = 4917 miles

- time via the above route at 4.6 mph avg = 44.5 days (no effects from the Gulf Stream, though on part of the leg from England to the Azores, the effect would have been beneficial)

- a "fast" whaling ship averaging 7.0 knots, could traverse the northerly route, 4365 miles, in 22.6 days

Say 1-2 months. So what did they do for the other 13-15 months? Ponder it?

Once again, too bad Jeff wasn't around to correct people like James Madison, John Armstrong and James Monroe. He could have told them on the very first moment that James McClure was a citizen because he was BORN IN CHARLESTON SOUTH CAROLINA. Unfortunately James Madison, John Armstrong and James Monroe were ALL TOO STUPID to understand what Jeff knows.