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To: JCBreckenridge
The constitution explicitly states that those eligible for the presidency are either a Natural Born Citizen of the United States OR a citizen AT THE TIME of the WRITING OF THE US CONSTITUTION.

That's not exactly what it says, but I won't quibble.

In any event, those who were considered NATURAL BORN CITIZENS included George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, James Madison, and everyone else who had been born in America. This has included every President ever elected.

Those who were NOT "natural born citizens" were people like Alexander Hamilton and James Wilson.

The grandfather clause was never used. Not even once.

And this is agreed upon by every real historian in history. Are you not able to read post #130? Or are you just a troll?

149 posted on 08/19/2013 9:08:02 PM PDT by Jeff Winston (Yeah, I think I could go with Cruz in 2016.)
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To: Jeff Winston

“The grandfather clause was never used. Not even once.”

It was used 7 times, for every president up to van Buren.

That’s what the constitution actually says.

“And this is agreed upon by every real historian in history.”

Pity, when you have the facts, argue the facts, when you don’t have the facts, argue the status of the person who agrees with you.

Again - the constitution is clear. Those born as natural born citizens of the United States of America, or those who were citizens of the United States at the signing of the US Constitution in 1787.

It is impossible to be a natural born citizen of a country that did not exist when you were born. Washington through to Jackson were actually born British subjects to the crown, subject to HRH.

So while you’re arguing their French citizenship, it is odd that you ignore their English citizenship which came first.


155 posted on 08/19/2013 9:14:13 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: Jeff Winston

I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, but how could George Washington, etc. be a natural-born citizen of the United States when the United States wasn’t even a country when they were born?


172 posted on 08/19/2013 9:35:45 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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