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To: Black Agnes

All I did was comment on your throw away line about the tobacco/health studies - which I have been studying extensively for over 20 years.

I have a 15yo daughter, and so am quite familiar with today’s generation of teen boys and girls and so can not accept your generalizations particularly about the boys.........of course I don’t accept generalizations as a rule. While what you say about voices and facial hair has some validity, I think it has much more to do what what they are eating than the packaging in which it comes, although I do not rule out that as having something to do with it. I lean more towards more blame being on HFCS and growth hormones in so much of today’s food and drink.


63 posted on 08/20/2013 7:38:09 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

If you’re accepting my point about the voices and body hair, what exactly are you disputing? Those are secondary sexual characteristics. Lack of them means a lack of sexual development. That’s scary. Something is either delaying their manhood or IMHO preventing it altogether. It’s no coincidence that sperm counts rougly halve with each succeeding generation. It’s not just their ‘appearance’ that’s being poisoned. There’s a reason women are drawn to men with a high degree of secondary sexual characteristics. They’re usually more fertile. You’d be surprised how many MEN in their late 20’s and early 30’s are having to do fertility treatment because they have no swimmers...

Ditto men and women with hourglass shapes. Note all the muffin tops on girls these days. That’s anti-fertility fat going on ...

The point being that BPA and other plasticizers ARE hormones. They’re androgen disruptors. Writ large.

It’s not just ‘this’ or ‘that’ androgen disruptor. It’s all of them. And there’s probably a scary amount of synergism between them. And the effects appear to be intergenerational.

I have neices and nephews in the teen generation. I CAN tell you there are scary gender bender things going on out there. What’s also disturbing is the number of teen girls with ‘cycle’ problems. And the number of kids who are gay, bi or ‘curious’ has skyrocketed. It’s probably 10% at least in the under 20’s. I don’t think popular culture can ‘make’ a boy want to be gay. It certainly wouldn’t have worked in my generation. I worked with teens extensively in the 90’s and even then the kids who were teens in the mid 90’s were quite shockingly more likely to be gay,bi,curious than my own generation. This at least a decade before the popular culture ‘hard sell’ on the issue and in the heart of the bible belt.

As far as WHAT they’re eating. There were plenty of cheetos, oreos and cocolas when I was a teen in the late 70’s. Ditto drive-thrus and tv dinners. Even the HS yearbook pics from 1982 are much more masculine than those in my nephews yearbook in 2012.

If you will peruse the study linked in comment 12 it explains that the obesity and reproductive issues show up in the f1’s (children) and f2’s (grandchildren). That’s this current gen of teens.

Another happy note, glyphosphate (roundup) that’s found in food these days thanks to genetic engineering allowing food crops to be drowned in it, appears to bind the estrogen receptor in parts per TRILLION. That’s orders of magnitude stronger than even estrogen binds its own receptor. It showed up in ‘91 or ‘92. There’s like a step function between kids who’d completed puberty prior to its introduction and those who had not in terms of their relative gender appearance.

And HFCS is loaded with glyphosphate. I’m less certain that fructose is our problem than I am that the glyphosphate chaser we get with it is the real problem.

The amount of ‘growth hormones’ the average kid eats pales in comparison with their consumption of plasticizers and other compounds like glyphosphate. And we won’t even discuss the other related compounds like teflon and fire retardants. Both thyroid disruptors. The teflon compound is even found in ‘easy glide’ dental floss and the lining of fast food containers. It’s in that waxy coating that stains weirdly if it comes in contact with grease.

None of these compounds were in the food supply 75 years ago. Or, largely, even 60 years ago. And the difference in appearance and behavior of humans born before, and after their inclusion in our food supply is pronounced.


64 posted on 08/20/2013 8:01:41 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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