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To: lentulusgracchus
I asked by what authority South Carolina could order federal troops from a federal authority and you replied with gibberish. "Their reclaimed sovereignty...?" That overrides the U.S. Constitution and the legislature of South Carolina? One of which deeded the land Sumter was built on to the federal government free and clear and the other which clearly states that only Congress can dispose of federal property?

"...and later granted by George III...to the States severally and individually, South Carolina being specifically named and enumerated among the States thus created Sovereigns in law as well as fact?" If South Carolina is a sovereign entity free of the United States then who from that state signed the Treaty of Paris? Being a sovereign entity then they would have had to have signed in order to be bound by it, wouldn't they?

"Their resumption of their unified Sovereign powers by secession gave the Carolinians all the authority they needed to demand anything of anyone on their soil, under the terms of their own state constitution..." and the legal owners be damned, right? Forget that pesky Constitution and that ridiculous rule of law, y'all made it up as you went along.

If you think a sovereign government does not have powers of taking in cases in dispute, just try your argument out on the Enforcement Division of the IRS and DoT.

And what you ignore is that there are legal processes behind all that, with guarantees of just compensation. Hardly the case in 1861.

You really do like totalitarianism, don't you? In fact, if you like it that much, I'm sure you'd prefer to dispense with further discussion and just roll the Black Marias.

Your idiocy knows no bounds doesn't it? And you have no respect for legal protections of any kind if it gets in your way.

89 posted on 08/22/2013 3:13:55 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
Your idiocy knows no bounds doesn't it?

Not as long as I'm reading you.

91 posted on 08/22/2013 4:32:04 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: 0.E.O
"Their reclaimed sovereignty...?" That overrides the U.S. Constitution and the legislature of South Carolina?

Well, if S.C. secedes, the U.S. Constitution no longer applies to S.C., which becomes a duchy or republic of its own. Overrides the S.C. legislature? Well, yes, a sovereign secession act would override acts of the legislature, too, since they are taken at the highest level of sovereignty.

One of which deeded the land Sumter was built on to the federal government free and clear and the other which clearly states that only Congress can dispose of federal property?

Those arrangements are only good as long as a) S.C. remains in the Union or b) S.C. is pleased to continue them even after seceding. Neither applied, and S.C. had the authority to demand the return of its property.

Which it did, while offering to take a pro rata share of the national debt. S.C. never did, to my knowledge, offer any statement of what they thought should happen with federal territories (such as asking for a 1/32nd share of Colorado Territory, or something like that).

94 posted on 08/22/2013 5:10:01 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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