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To: WhiskeyX

Sorry but you are incorrect. Title 8 section 1401 subsection G clearly shows that Mr Cruz has US citizenship from birth. Thus he is a naturally born citizen and has never required naturalization.


5 posted on 08/19/2013 6:24:13 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

Wrong. Cruz is a statutory U.S. Citizen. He is not a Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen eligible for the presidency. He father owed allegiance t a foreign sovereignty.

Representative John Bingham, the father of the 14th Amendment who was well aware of the founders original intent defined a natural born Citizen as this:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

A statutory citizen (bestowed by man’s pen) can never be a “natural born” citizen (bestowed by God/nature).


13 posted on 08/19/2013 6:38:20 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: taxcontrol

Only if you conflate the terms Citizen and natural born Citizen.

The two terms are not equivalent, with respect to presidential eligibility.

The simple sentence construction the Founders used in Article II clearly demonstrates this fact.


20 posted on 08/19/2013 6:48:35 AM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: taxcontrol
This issue of the definition of what constitutes a natural born citizen as provided in the Constitution to be eligible to be President has never been decided by the courts. Yes, Cruz is a citizen by birth but does he meet the criterion of naturally born.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.

37 posted on 08/19/2013 7:28:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: taxcontrol
This issue of the definition of what constitutes a natural born citizen as provided in the Constitution to be eligible to be President has never been decided by the courts. Yes, Cruz is a citizen by birth but does he meet the criterion of naturally born.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.

38 posted on 08/19/2013 7:28:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: taxcontrol

Title 8 section 1401 subsection G is commonly referred to as The Immigration and Nationality Act. Ted Cruz would have to be an immigrant to the U.S. before title could apply to him. Congress does not have Constitutional authority to pass immigration and nationality legislation that applies to citizens at birth.

Congress has a Constitutional mandate to legislate rules and regulations with respect to aliens and immigrants who wish to become U.S. citizens. Consequently, Cruz had to be an immigrant before Title 8 could be applied to him.


44 posted on 08/19/2013 7:44:31 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: taxcontrol
Sorry but you are incorrect. Title 8 section 1401 subsection G clearly shows that Mr Cruz has US citizenship from birth.

Once more, the meaning of "natural born citizen" was determined in 1787 not whenever title 8 was written. Title 8 has no impact on what the CONSTITUTION means.

You can't change the meaning of words AFTER THE FACT.

If Ted Cruz wouldn't be a "natural born citizen" in 1787, then he isn't one today.

49 posted on 08/19/2013 8:09:20 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: taxcontrol; WhiskeyX
"Sorry but you are incorrect. Title 8 section 1401 subsection G clearly shows that Mr Cruz has US citizenship from birth. Thus he is a naturally born citizen and has never required naturalization."

Huh?

Congress has the Constitutional power to write laws to determine who may be a "natural born Citizen?"

Since when?

Please cite that authority in the Constitution.

73 posted on 08/19/2013 9:59:33 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: taxcontrol

If you have to point to a positive (man-made) law or man-made regulation then that nullifies the ‘natural’ part of ‘natural born Citizen’ it would seem.

Puerto Ricans are actually US citizens ‘at birth’. But they are naturalized ‘at birth’ under collective naturalization. Since naturalized citizens are not natural born citizens it is obvious that just being a citizen AT birth is no a criteria for meeting Article II, Section 1 requirements.

Even some websites that specialize in visas and citizenship issues indicate that to be a citizen AT birth BOTH your parents must be US citizens.

See here:

http://www.visalawyergroup.com/frequently-asked-questions/naturalization

From above link:

“2. Who is born a United States citizen?

Generally, people are born U.S. citizens if they are born in the United States or if they are born to U.S. citizens:

By being born in the United States

If you were born in the United States (including, in most cases, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands), you are an American citizen at birth (unless you were born to a foreign diplomat). Your birth certificate is proof of your citizenship.

Through birth abroad to TWO United States citizens

In most cases, you are a U.S. citizen if ALL of the following are true:

Both your parents were U.S. citizens when you were born; and
At least one of your parents lived in the United States at some point in their life.”

Notice the strong requirement that BOTH parents must be US citizens.

Such is not the case for Mr. Cruz.


100 posted on 08/19/2013 11:25:20 AM PDT by bluecat6
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To: taxcontrol

No, that would make him a stautorily born citizen. Not a naturally born citizen.


124 posted on 08/19/2013 1:19:29 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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