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To: xzins

“That is a fact. It is an irreversible fact. The Founders used natural born citizen to describe a born overseas citizen.”

No, that is a fictitious misrepresentation of the actual quotation in the 1790 Act of Congress. Congress actually wrote the Act to say the person born abroad was to be considered as a natural born citizen for the purposes of that very naturalization legislation. The legislative act did not say the persons were actual natural born citizens. The legislative act only said the persons were to be regarded for purposes of determining naturalization as if they possessed the same rights regarding naturalization and lack of need therefor as if they were natural born citizens who require no naturalization procedure. After Congress realized the natural born citizen wording produced undesirable results, Congress changed the wording to citizen in place of natural born citizens, and Congress took extensive efforts in additional provisions to limit additional avenues for foreign influence to abuse the naturalization procedures. This example serves to reinforce the definition of natural born citizen as excluding persons born with allegiance to a foreign sovereign.


197 posted on 08/20/2013 11:57:47 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX

I am discussing how the expression “natural born citizen” is used by that Congress and Washington. They use it to describe one born overseas to US citizen parents.

Let’s say that you are told you must consider a certain person to have passed a cred check for a loan. You are the loan official, and this person applies for a loan. Someone asks: “Has he passed a credit check for a loan?” What is your response? Since you are to consider him as having passed, you are to say, “Yes, he has passed.”

Now, let’s say you are told to consider someone under the law as a natural born citizen. You are told that to run for the presidency, a person has to be a natural born citizen. You are asked the question: “Is he a natural born citizen for purposes of the presidential run?” What is your answer?

Well, since you’ve been told by law to consider him a natural born citizen, your answer would be, “Yes, he is a natural born citizen under the law.”


198 posted on 08/20/2013 12:16:36 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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