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To: DiogenesLamp
I hope you realize that the Thirteen Colonies became thirteen independent STATES.

I hope you understand the meaning of the word "STATE" in 1776.

I hope you also understand that those independent States joined together to form a greater, united nation.

George Washington was born owing allegiance to the Colony of Virginia, and a SECONDARY allegiance to the King of England. James Madison, Father of the Constitution, tells us this quite clearly, and he's right.

In the great Divorce that was the American Revolution, the Colony of Virginia left the King, and the secondary allegiance of her citizens to the English Crown was dissolved. They stayed in the exact same relationship they had held from birth as members of the Colony of Virginia, only now she was a State, not a Colony, and they were citizens and not subjects.

And when Virginia became a member of the United States, all the natural born citizens of Virginia thereby became natural born citizens of the greater nation that was formed.

All this is pretty straightforward, and it's an accurate representation of the way historians and legal scholars understand the law, and of the way Founders such as James Madison understood it.

By the way, I hope you didn't miss post #72.

The gods have been kind thus far to birthers spouting Constitutional nonsense. But I think most FReepers now clearly recognize that it is, in fact, Constitutional nonsense. And it is Constitutional nonsense which, if entertained indefinitely, could irreparably harm conservatism and our nation.

If Ted Cruz runs and emerges as the best conservative candidate, it looks to me like the tolerance for your BS is likely to drop quite dramatically.


166 posted on 08/19/2013 5:45:06 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
George Washington was born owing allegiance to the Colony of Virginia, and a SECONDARY allegiance to the King of England.

LOL! The Colony of Virginia was in the domain of the King, it's why it was called an 'English Colony'.

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And when Virginia became a member of the United States, all the natural born citizens of Virginia thereby became natural born citizens of the greater nation that was formed.

Unless they decided not to.

Aliens by election may then be shortly described to be those subjects of the crown of Great-Britain on the fourth day of July, 1776, who have elected to remain such, and have not since become, and continued to be, citizens of the United States, or some one of them.
St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries

168 posted on 08/19/2013 5:52:20 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: Jeff Winston
George Washington was born owing allegiance to the Colony of Virginia, and a SECONDARY allegiance to the King of England. James Madison, Father of the Constitution, tells us this quite clearly, and he's right.

You go on and on an on about this English Law sh*t, and now you come up with this utter contradiction of it? I guess you simply change your mind whenever it suits you. Under the English law, there is no question that primary allegiance is owed to the King. Virginia was his land too. (at the time.)

The Entire State of Virginia was no Different under English Law than was Wales, Scotland, or Ireland. There was no secondary allegiance. All allegiance was to King George III.

And when Virginia became a member of the United States, all the natural born citizens of Virginia thereby became natural born citizens of the greater nation that was formed.

The nation didn't EXIST when he was born. You aren't grasping the fact that you CANNOT have born allegiance to a country which doesn't exist when you are born.

You really have to stretch your nonsense in these pathetic attempts to cover it's nakedness.

By the way, I hope you didn't miss post #72.

No, I didn't miss it. I agree with it. I just don't feel the need to run after a pat on the head like one certain little boy who craves recognition.

If Ted Cruz runs and emerges as the best conservative candidate, it looks to me like the tolerance for your BS is likely to drop quite dramatically.

You can shove your veiled threats back into your brain orifice, you little spastic dweeb.

I shall not be the least surprised to see Liberals (and their Media dogs) do a 180 on Ted Cruz if he secures the nomination.

171 posted on 08/19/2013 6:11:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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