Posted on 08/12/2013 9:24:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
And so the perpetual tension continues. I think it’s better this discussion keeps alive even if sometimes it ends up in the wrong place. Because the same discussion can correct it later, as we place trust in the Lord... and that is the key, to really MEAN it again when we say “IN GOD WE TRUST.” It ain’t a pride thing unless of course we mean the elevation of God’s glory, then we can brag every bit as much as we want... on Him, that is.
What surprises me is that 90% number. That means 10% of stops resulted in a summons or arrest?.
The question is were they making up stuff, or were they legitimate summons and arrests? Because if they are legitimate, any kind of sting that arrests 1 in 10 seems like to me is a good sting.
If 1 in 10 results in an arrest or summons, is that an unreasonable search and seizure?
“Sting?”
While I frown theologically on stings, because that’s to play Satan (I say let Satan take the heat, don’t volunteer ourselves) I don’t see “Stings” here... color me puzzled?
I believe we could do a better job with crime control if we brought back the gallows and “Old Sparky”.
No more 20 year waits for an execution. Get it done within 30 days, but allow clemency in extenuating circumstances.
One thing, I would like to see, is a limited Federal Big Brother program. Yeah, I said it. Might as well call it what it is.
Limit it to the 4 highest crime rate cities in America. Saturate the city with cameras. Maybe even use a few drones. But dramatically clean up the city’s crime in the course of 1 year.
Simultaneously run stings against the local and state officials and law enforcement. Seriously, if the crime is that bad, what’s the odds that Law Enforcement isn’t corrupt too.
Establish crime benchmarks. If not enough progress has been made, continue the program for 1 more year. Otherwise move on to another high crime city. 2 Years max.
But of course we need to either wait for a new admistration or have multiple redundant controls to keep the current admin from focusing it on tea party members. Probably both.
I would say, make it a state program, but if the state hasn’t deal with the crime by now, then let the Feds do it.
Taking away our guns. Taking away our right to self defense and going easy on druggies, dealers, rapists, murderers and thieves. This is going to end ugly. Good luck with that America. Elect a bunch of Chicago street thugs, gangstas and crooks and that’s the kind of government you’re going to get.
There will not be any easy answer, because as our ability to determine truth improves, it takes longer to pass through the requisite steps. I’m getting more on the side of the abolitionists, with the giant caveat that we need to get closer to God too as we do that. Otherwise all we are doing is juggling the chaos.
As a radio program host said this morning, over the period in question, they stop 8 million but they catch 700,000+ bad actors.
I would be interested in stopping the crimes of the federal government, such as Fast and Furious, the IRS, the FEC, the FCC.
Personally, I would start with local law enforcement and city leadership. Chances are someone, most likey a Dem Mayor, council member, etc, has told the Chief to stop arresting the feral black youth.
You do realize crime has dropped dramatically in the last 25 years?
I don’t see where there were “sting” operations involved here. As I see it, the police would see a thug looking individual walking down the street. However, other than he looks like a thug, he isn’t drunk or on drugs, he isn’t on a be on the lookout list or suspected of committing a crime, and isn’t causing any problems. But the police stop him, frisk him, and find contraband. It all goes back to probable cause. I suspected that eventually, a judge would call the NYPD on it. Am I wrong here?
Great idea disarm the police.
More proof we need the 2nd Amendment and Stand your Ground.
There is no justification for “stop & frisk”; when Rudy Giuliani wanted to clean up NYC, he simply told the cops to enforce even the minor laws. Often the dirtbag you arrested for urinating on the sidewalk turned out to have warrants for more serious crimes outstanding; it was effective, unquestionably legal, and racially neutral.
You're just dying to give up your rights aren't you? Read the 4th amendment. There has to be probably cause just to get a warrant, the person and place to be searched must be named and what they are looking for must be named also. Yes, stopping people at random and searching them is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment.
BTW, there is nothing in the constitution that gives LEOs the right to search you, your car or your home or business simply by saying they had probable cause. Probable cause is for getting a warrant, not conduction a search, but we gave up that right many years ago by not fighting that type of BS.
>>>>I don’t see where there were “sting” operations involved here. As I see it, the police would see a thug looking individual walking down the street. However, other than he looks like a thug, he isn’t drunk or on drugs, he isn’t on a be on the lookout list or suspected of committing a crime, and isn’t causing any problems. But the police stop him, frisk him, and find contraband. It all goes back to probable cause. I suspected that eventually, a judge would call the NYPD on it. Am I wrong here?>>>
That’s why I never get picked for jury duty. In the case above I don’t care what the perp was caring because I’d say Not Guilty due to no probable cause, and if I could I’d order the state to pay the defense expenses.
No, that happened the day Holder got appointed or perhaps earlier when odumbo got elected.
“Great idea disarm the police.”
The Supreme Court ruled, back in the early 70s, that they have ZERO duty/obligation to protect you anyway. Their guns are to protect their OWN lives while enforcing whatever arbitrary Diktats of Der Staat happen to be in vogue at the moment.
When I think society hits the lowest common denominator (LCM) somehow it goes even lower.
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