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To: buwaya; 2banana; Viennacon
If you look at the countries' like Spain and Argentina you will find historical precedence for having trampled upon their national dignity and pride that have never been addressed let alone resolved. England, certainly more arrogant and aggressive in flouting international law, because they could, having made an indelible mark on the nations they did with as they pleased, the history of which is made part of the nation's identity passed on from generation to generation.

While the facts of England's having flouted international law with impunity, the facts remain obscure and not known as well as they should.

Like some old, volatile domestic dispute that remains just beneath the surface, the slightest provocation will have the details come flooding back with abandon.

And in times of a nation's crisis the same phenomena can occur with countries under economic, political duress will cause similar phenomena.

Have you researched the details in which England took Gibraltar from Spanish hegemony? It's not pretty, that remains very much on the minds of the citizenry like some pulsating, deep-seated wound that never leaves their psyches.

Ask an American Indian wherever you might find one, how he feels about what happened hundreds of years ago of what the Europeans did to the Indian nation (despite the innumerable casinos granted.

These is exactly the way countries victimized by England, including Spain /Gibraltar feel, despite England being in control of Gibraltar for as long as they did. All very true. These issues are deeply imbedded within the psyche of countries like Spain and Argentina, their natiojnal hono such as Spain ado come up during national crises that otherwise remain dormant

17 posted on 08/12/2013 6:35:48 PM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1157 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: lbryce
I did.

Nearly ALL Americans Indians sided and fought with the British during the American Revolution.

They committed countless atrocities during that time period

The lands they "owned" were stolen from another tribe of Indians further back in history.

I don't care how they feel. In fact - f*ck them.

Ask an American Indian wherever you might find one, how he feels about what happened hundreds of years ago of what the Europeans did to the Indian nation (despite the innumerable casinos granted.

21 posted on 08/12/2013 6:50:24 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: lbryce

“Ask an American Indian wherever you might find one, how he feels about what happened hundreds of years ago of what the Europeans did to the Indian nation”

Really??? Are we going there?
It is very Al Sharpton to peddle grievance.

The facts are the facts. Spain signed a contract that permanently gave the land to Britain. A contract is your word.

As for Argentina, they had no historical claim, so they invaded. They were DEFEATED, and were sent home crying.

If Spain or Argentina wants to have these territories, then they should go to war for them, not try to steal them in some kind of international court jujitsu.

As you allude to, this is fire-stoking by corrupt politicos who want to distract populations from government abuse and stagnant economies.

“England, certainly more arrogant and aggressive in flouting international law”

You’d struggle to find a single nation on earth that hadn’t flouted ‘international law’, going back far enough. Nations do what is in their interest.


22 posted on 08/12/2013 6:52:00 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: lbryce
"These is exactly the way countries victimized by England, including Spain /Gibraltar feel, despite England being in control of Gibraltar for as long as they did. All very true. These issues are deeply imbedded within the psyche of countries like Spain and Argentina, their natiojnal hono such as Spain ado come up during national crises that otherwise remain dormant "

I dont think Spain has any grounds to boo hoo over territory that another nation legally controls over the objection of the nation it was once part of.









Not to mention the territories in Africa they still cling to even though Morocco claims them like Spain claims Gibraltar


23 posted on 08/12/2013 6:54:48 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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