Posted on 08/07/2013 6:41:24 PM PDT by xzins
BUDAPEST, Hungary -- What do you do when you learn you are not the person you thought you were, when you learn you are the very thing you hated?
It was a question Csanad Szegedi was confronted with -- one that led to a remarkable transformation.
Szegedi was once a rising star in Hungary's third largest and most controversial political parties, Jobbik. Jobbik has been labeled fascist and anti-Semitic.
Its leader once asked for a list of all the Jews in Hungarian government. And Szegedi, still in his 20s, was on a trajectory to lead the party someday.
"I joined Jobbik in 2003, when the party foundations were being built," he told CBN News. "I was a member for 9 years. I was vice president for 6 years and I have served in the European parliament since 2009."
Szegedi was also branded an anti-Semite, although he told CBN News that when he joined Jobbik, "I was kind of indifferent toward Jews."
"I didn't care about Jews," he said. "I didn't care about the Holocaust. I didn't consider the Holocaust as a tragedy for the Hungarian people."
Szegedi's Damascus Road
But still, Szegedi was a leader in a major anti-Semitic party, and his public statements showed that, at the very least, he didn't like Jews and was suspicious of them.
But that would all change when Szegedi learned something about himself that would turn his world upside down: Szegedi discovered he was a Jew.
When rumors of his Jewish ancestry started swirling on the Internet, Szegedi went to talk to his 94-year-old grandmother, who he never knew was Jewish.
"She opened up and she talked about her life and how she was sent to Auschwitz and how our family was annihilated," he recalled. "I was shocked. First of all because I realized the Holocaust really happened."
At first, Szegedi tried to hide his Jewishness and act like nothing had happened. But he realized he couldn't stay in Jobbik.
"It started such a crisis in my consciousness," he told CBN News. "I realized I can't take part in any organization that has anything to do with anti-Semitism. And after my Jewish origins were disclosed, they really didn't want to see me in the party anymore."
A Spiritual 'Leper'
So what do you do when you discover you are one of the very things you hated? Szegedi decided to change.
He contacted local Rabbi Schlomo Koves, who first thought it was a joke.
"When I first met with Csanad, I had very, very mixed feelings because on one hand I was sitting across from a member of the Jobbik party, which has extreme anti-Semitic views," Rabbi Koves told CBN News.
"But on the other hand, I was sitting across from a broken person who has realized what he has done and has come to a situation where he figured he had to change but he didn't know how to change," he said.
Szegedi started attending synagogue and jokes that he was treated by some members "like a leper."
"It was very interesting to see how other people viewed it and some stepped back," Rabbi Koves said. "They were shocked."
But Szegedi started taking classes at the synagogue, learning Hebrew and the meaning of kosher and Shabbat. He said his life has completely changed.
"It's changed everything. It's like being re-born, and the changes in my life are still happening," he said. "I had this set value system that I had to change completely. I had had this value system until I was 30 and I had to admit that it was all wrong and to find the will to change."
Visiting Israel
He also became a politician without a party and has continued to serve in the European parliament as an independent.
"As a politician, now I want to defend human rights for everyone," Szegedi explained. "I am aware of my responsibility and I know I will have to make it right in the future."
One of the high points of his new life was visiting Israel with his wife and visiting the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum and the Western Wall.
"When I landed in Israel, airport security asked me a lot of questions, and when the guard asked me, 'Are you a Jew?' Then for the first time in my life, I could say, 'Yes,'" Szegedi recalled.
"Just to feel like you are on the right way spiritually, and you can get closer to God," he continued. "It's a whole new feeling for me, that I am doing the right thing."
"Since then, my life has been full of incredible miracles," he said. "But I believe everyone who chooses the way of God sees miracles."
Nazi Hews? Yes, Nazi Jews.
http://therebelpath.com/2008/02/25/nazi-jews-yes-nazi-jews/
Erhard Milch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Milch#1933.E2.80.931939
Hitler's Jewish Army
http://www.dottal.org/150_000_jews_in_hitlers_army.htm
Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's knowledge and approval. Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to 100,000 troops." Here's one of the pictures that corroborates this. The picture shows 'Jewish' Senior Officers In Hitler's Army: Erhard Milch, Wilhelm Keitel, Walther von Brauchitsch, Erich Raeder, and Maximilian von Weichs during a Nazi rally in Nuremberg, Germany, 12 Sep 1938. PS: In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.
Nazi Hews? Yes, Nazi Jews. http://therebelpath.com/2008/02/25/nazi-jews-yes-nazi-jews/ Can you find a competent antisemite to quote?
Erhard Milch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Milch#1933.E2.80.931939
What do you a Christian with 1 Jewish grandparent who converted to Christianity? A Christian
http://www.dottal.org/150_000_jews_in_hitlers_army.htm
Can you please not be an untermensch so hobbled by your low IQ that you confuse Christian partial-JEws with actual Jews, and then buy into Holocaust denial lunacy?
Hi!
Ok, here are some responses to your note ...
YOURS:
I think we have different ideas of what hell is....I dont subscribe to burning. I believe Hell is separation from God.
ME:
I agree, and apologize for just assuming you might subscribe to the common “burning” idea. There is scriptural reason for the burning idea, however, Matthew 18:9 comes to mind and I believe there are more...)
YOURS:
Why would the Pharisees reject Jesus when all thru the Old Testament God is clearly telling them He is bringing them a savior from their people that is both man and God? Any Pharisee who denied Christ is now in Hell.
ME:
I do not find any such “clear telling...He is bringing them a savior...that is both man and God.” Can you cite several clear verses or passages that would have told them that? I can’t, and I therefore do not believe it is right to hold them responsible for having such advance information, at least not in such a precise, clear manner. Redemption was promised several times, whether national redemption or spiritual or whatever. So we have those passages. I do not recall passages promising a savior that would be both man and God, however (unless we wish to accept the common interpretation of Isaiah’s “suffering servant” ... but that’s not entirely clear and at any event it is just one passage... )
YOU:
The Jewish people are different in the sense they were chosen by God to represent Him on earth to all peoples before Jesus was born, and they failed miserably. So He set them aside for an appointed time and turned His attention to the Gentiles.
ME:
They failed miserably, eh? They failed many times, that is true, but they always, sometimes with His help, bounced back.... and they were still very much in there ... affirming the One True God to the rest of their world, indeed most of St Paul’s travels were to Jewish synagogues that had many pagan “hangers-on” or what scholars call “God-fearers” ... people who came to the Jews to learn about God. We even have archeological inscriptions showing that these gentiles contributed to the synagogue financially (if you visit many synagogues and churches today you can see similar “we thank our contributors” plaques on the walls....). Finally, to say that the Jews “failed miserably” when Jesus came to the Jewish people and the Jewish people provided all of Jesus’ early followers, including his Apostles (and yes I am including Luke albeit there is some early church teaching otherwise), is a bit one-sided at best.
The Jews kept records of their failings over the centuries so that their children, and all Jews and Christians today, can learn from their mistakes, and know that God keeps His word even when his little Created Critters do not succeed. The fact that Christians (and Jews) today still look forward to more Good News to come ... call it rapture, Heaven, Messiah, New Jerusalem, next dispensation, or whatever .... as Paul said, “we live for hope” .... the fact that we have this hope yet today is due to all those old Jews keeping this hope alive. You will note that the Jews always found their way back to God even when they strayed. The story of the early Jews is very much our story today, at least insofar as so many people have strayed, miserably, today... and insofar as we can hope (and pray) that they may yet find their way back to God. St. Paul points out so clearly that God remains faithful to the Jews, and Jesus Himself so eloquently forgave his crucifiers. The last word we have on the subject is this forgiveness by Jesus of the human failings or shortcomings Jesus experienced at Calvary. Jesus did not abandon or condemn His Jewish people, indeed we have here the clearest possible statement of just the opposite, forgiveness, a forgiveness that even extended to Jesus’ Roman murderers and a forgiveness that cannot possibly be reconciled with, or support, any sort of replacement theology. As St. Paul then said, “all Israel will be saved”...and Paul understood all the human failings in people, including in himself and in his Jewish people, as well as anybody (outside of Jesus, of course) possibly could. God keeps His word, and any concepts of justice are always tempered with His mercy. “God is Love,” as St John explained, and if Jesus’ ministry stood for anything it is this love, implemented largely through His forgiveness and continuing redemption for His people (Jews and Christians alike).
YOURS:
Not necessarily a remnant...that is what is stated in the first chapter of Romans. I think the disagreement comes in the use of the word all. Might help to go back to the original Greek and Hebrew to see how that passage is worded there, but that is well beyond me. :)
ME:
It is no problem to check the Greek. Paul used the Greek word for “all” in describing which Jews will be saved. It is right there in Romans 11:26. You can check it with a Strong’s concordance, any respectable Bible commentary, or using a scholarly computer program such as Bible Works.
YOURS:
Where does it say in Scripture that a sincerely repentant person and one who does all reasonably possible to atone for, correct his transgressions, is forgiven outside of placing his faith in Jesus Christ? This sounds to me like salvation thru works.
ME:
Oh my, am I really ready for the “salvation through works” disputation? Ha!
At any event,
you asked for scriptural citations. The concept of repentance and then doing justly as being what God wants for His forgiveness or salvation, is replete in Scripture.
For instance, Ezekiel 18:27, “When the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he has committed, and does that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.” Or Malachi 3:7, “Return to Me and I shall return to you (sayeth God)...” See also Ezekiel 33.11,19; Jeremiah 36:3, Hosea 14:3, and more.
YOURS:
Speaking against Jesus is not what condemned the Pharisees to hell. Not recognizing their need for a savior to reconcile them to God and accepting Jesus as that savior, before they died, is what condemned them to hell.
ME:
Well, of course I do not believe the Pharisees were condemned to Hell, as Jesus himself forgave his killers right at Calvary (and whatever involvement any Pharisee may have had with Jesus it was never worse than the involvement of those persons that crucified Him). And as Jesus also said, Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.”
(Gospel of Matthew). Speaking against a person is always worse than merely not accepting what he has to say. Yet, speaking outright against Jesus was something Jesus said will be forgiven a man. Thus, Jesus provided explicit forgiveness, and certainly no condemnation whatsoever, for the very transgression you cite.
(Keep in mind also that the Pharisees, as Jews, were already in “salvational” Covenant with God.)
YOURS:
I believe Scripture is very clear regarding hell and who will go there and who is there now. Anyone outside the saving grace of Jesus. As real and serious as hell is, people need to be sure and not just guess or think they know. Grab a bible and read up...teach yourself and dont depend on others words or teaching. Be a Berean and search the Scriptures diligently.
ME:
I do not claim to know it all. I make mistakes too.
But I do read the Scriptures. I find Hell to be a serious matter, I just don’t know as much about it (particularly, I do not know who may be resident therein). That God provides for our salvation we can agree on. Beyond that point, we may yet not fully agree on just how this salvational calculus all works, or as regards its possible extent in the world. One concept that some Church theologians have advanced is the idea that this salvation may extend beyond the “obvious” and may not even be fully perceived by some of those so benefited or blessed by it.
I have some quibbles with parts of this, but you can read up on it (and see if any of this rings true in light of your understanding of Scripture), perhaps by looking at such things as Karl Rahner’s “anonymous Christian,” “baptism of desire,”virtuous pagan,” and “Dominus Iesus,” particularly sections I,8; III,14; and VI,21. Again, I do not offer these as any “new gospel” but rather just as windows a person can look through to see whether some of this interpretation makes sense.
YOURS:
Reckon we have thoroughly hijacked this thread? LOL
ME:
Yup!
Ecclesiastes 1:18 and 12:12 to you!
Nlessings,
fhc
Best,
I think you are just more gracious in your understanding and open to instruction. I am just the opposite. :)
I posted on that catholicsforisrael.com site and the moderator said I had an “uninformed fundamentalist/Messianic view.”
More later,
jodyel
I do not know the site you mentioned, nor obviously its moderator.
But there are a lot of pretty uninformed people (outside of FR, obviously!) running websites these days.
Indeed, the two seem to go together almost as much as, say, politicians and corruption
I do not know the site you mentioned, nor obviously its moderator.
But there are a lot of pretty uninformed people (outside of FR, obviously!) running websites these days.
Indeed, the two seem to go together almost as much as, say, politicians and corruption
http://www.catholicsforisrael.com/en/articles/testimonies/44-a-prodigal-son-returns-home
You should read his/her testimony. All over the map!
You might be waiting a while for my reply to this, fhc. :)
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