Posted on 08/07/2013 6:15:50 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
Ping!
First the bad news. Apparently I can't get a Pennsylvania non-resident permit because I don't hold a Kalifornia permit. PA seems unconcerned that there are other states which infringe the right to keep and bear arms.
The good news seems to be that, although PA won't recognize my non-resident Florida permit, it appears that they will recognize my non-resident Utah permit. Am I understanding this correctly? What possible explanation can there be for this asymmetry?
Are private sales allowed between individuals in PA without going through an FFL? Here in Colorado, that restriction was just imposed on all private gun sales. Previous to that, there was no background check on any private transaction.
illinois sucks, so does new jersey and maryland ain’t far behind.
Another notable Pennsylvania firearm manufacturer... had production very close to my Uncle in Wind Gap... I recommend visiting the park there if you are in the area.
This article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-12/guns-to-work-laws-spread-in-u-s-as-business-fights-group.html
indicates that there are a number of states that prohibit employers from disallowing employees from having firearms in their vehicles on company property; PA does not appear to be one of those states, though there was legislation pending as of the date of the article to rectify this.
That's not the same as a law which prohibits firearms at workplaces, but the Brady Campaign appears to give PA 2 points for not protecting the rights of employees to store firearms in their vehicles while at work.
or on college campuses.
This appears to have changed quite recently:
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/05/13/pennsylvania-universities-limbo-over-guns
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/05/13/some-pa-state-schools-now-allowing-guns-on-campus/
Even Colorado is going down the tubes, although the potential recall of two anti-gun Democrats next month may send us back in the right direction.
Certainly. There are gun shows all over the place here.
I believe I now have the answer.
Pennsylvania law authorizes the creation of reciprocity agreements with other states. Pennsylvania law also explicitly permits the Attorney General to recognize states which have similar firearms laws and to recognize their permits as long as Pennsylvania permits are recognized by that state.
Pennsylvania has an explicit reciprocity agreement with Florida and it explicitly recognizes the permits granted by Florida to FLORIDA residents. It is silent regarding non-residents.
The Attorney General of Pennsylvania has recognized that Utah has similar firearms laws and that Utah recognizes Pennsylvania permits. This recognition constitutes authority for Utah permit holders, without any reference to residency of the permit holder, to carry in Pennsylvania.
It looks to me as if those holding a non-resident Florida permit have never had the authority to carry in Pennsylvania, given the explicit language of the reciprocity agreement with Florida and the fact that the Attorney General has not recognized Florida as having similar laws, etc.
So, it does appear that the situation is asymmetrical and that I can continue to carry in Pennsylvania using my non-resident Utah permit.
It also appears that the legislators of these various states have no real principles regarding the right to keep and bear arms and are willing to infringe the right in any way they see fit.
At gun shows in Colorado, if someone without an FFL wants to sell a firearm to someone else without an FFL, they have to go to someone who does have an FFL so the Colorado Bureau of Investigation can do a background check. This usually takes only 15 minutes, but at the height of the post-Sandy Hook buying frenzy it was taking almost 3 weeks to be approved...a de facto waiting period.
This was an error on my part. The reciprocity agreement signed in 2001 was silent with regard to residency of the Florida permit holder.
The amended agreement, signed in February of 2013, contains the language explicitly limiting the reciprocity to Florida residents.
In any event, I hope you now agree that Pennsylvania is a solid pro-second amendment state. If you look at the legislature there has, for a long time, been a solid GOP state senate firewall against the rats’ communism and liberal goofiness. Even most of the rural rats won’t touch “gun control” in a million years.
Right now, Republicans hold a 27-23 majority in the Senate and a 111-92 majority in the House. Plus the governor is a Republican. Believe me, you never hear about “gun control” in Pennsylvania, except from time to time some Philadelphia rat pipes up (to groans and laughter).
In PA, if a mall has a no guns sign posted, and you carry concealed into the mall, you will be fine unless caught of course. And if you are caught you will be asked to leave. If you are caught coming back doing the same thing, you will be cited for trespassing. That is the law. I believe it is similar for workplaces and colleges. No serious charges can be brought AFAIK.
Forgot to add, PA has no “printing” law.....you can print through the clothes all day long. Also, no brandishing law.
Yes, for long guns. And for pistols, they can be gifted between father and son with absolutely no paperwork.
Great mountain biking there.
Dear Kahr Arms:
Welcome to Pennsylvania.
Already own a few of your products. Will now own a few more!
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I don’t own any Kahr guns now, but that may have to change......
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