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Boys in snake attack asphyxiated, RCMP say (Preliminary autopsy results)
CBC News ^ | 7 Aug 13 | CBC News

Posted on 08/07/2013 4:22:07 PM PDT by xzins

Preliminary autopsy results on two New Brunswick boys who were killed after an African rock python escaped its enclosure in Campbellton, N.B., show they died from asphyxiation, RCMP say.

The pathologist completed the autopsies on Noah and Connor Barthe on Tuesday.

"At least right now we have a cause of death. Even though we still need some reports from the pathologist to be forwarded, that's going to help the investigation to move forward," RCMP Sgt. Alain Tremblay told CBC News.

Tremblay said in a statement that police are aware the case has "touched the hearts of people across the world" and that people are eager to know how the deaths could have happened.

"Our investigators are looking at all aspects of this tragic incident, and that will take some time," he said of the investigation into the deaths of Noah, 4, and Connor, 6.

The statement from the RCMP said that police have also gleaned some information from the necropsy performed on the python, which had been euthanized.

"It appears the snake was overall in good health, although the final report will take time to come back," the statement said. Boys' python deaths raise questions over exotic animal laws Boys in python case lived life 'to a maximum'

The case is still being treated as a criminal investigation. Tremblay told CBC News that the case is unique, and will involve a learning process for investigators and the pathologists involved in the case.

Police remained at Reptile Ocean in Campbellton, N.B., on Wednesday and officers left carrying two paper bags from inside the cordoned off shop, reported CBC's Michael Dick.

Provincial conservation officers were also on site into the afternoon, with at least two trucks backed up to the shop, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africanrockpython; barthe; canada; connorbarthe; maul; noahbarthe; python; rockpython; safety; snake
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"Death by Snake" can also be intentional. Make escape possible for the snake or actually set up the "escape", and it isn't a far step to "death by snake."

These boys need to be checked for signs of various kinds of abuse which would be a motive for "death by snake."

"Death by snake" might just be the perfect crime

1 posted on 08/07/2013 4:22:07 PM PDT by xzins
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To: Salamander; MissMagnolia

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2 posted on 08/07/2013 4:22:34 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Salamander

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3 posted on 08/07/2013 4:22:59 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: xzins

Death by pit bull makes less global headlines, but even those dogs tend to be fairly predictable. A snake is always a snake.


4 posted on 08/07/2013 4:25:16 PM PDT by omega4179
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I still don’t get how the snake managed to kill BOTH of them. Very suspicious.


5 posted on 08/07/2013 4:27:38 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Even taking them to the farm to get covered with animal smell is suspicious.


6 posted on 08/07/2013 4:30:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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When you think about it it would be very difficult if not impossible to prove intent. The only thing that doesn’t quite add up is that the snake was able to constrict two children either at the same time or one at a time without any of them waking up and screaming. Just seems hard to believe.


7 posted on 08/07/2013 4:38:29 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: omega4179

A snake is always a snake which is precisely why this is so bizarre.

Snakes kill to eat, not for kicks or self defense.

“Asphyxiation” is too general.

There will be internal hemmorhages and possibly damaged bones.

I watch Boas who are nowhere remotely close to that size eat dead rats every week and they hardly bother to constrict and those things look a frightful mess, even after a half-hearted token squeezing.

Puny little Ball pythons “pop” the eyes of live mice every time they constrict them.

Honestly, this just flies in the face of everything I and fellow herpers understand to be normal.

My great concern is that public prejudice is going to let somebody get away with murder.

I hope I’m wrong, whichever way it goes.


8 posted on 08/07/2013 4:41:17 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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The UK Daily Mail has a lengthy article which also shows photos of the boys wearing nothing but their underwear when playing in the empty tanks which housed this snake. Which begs the question, if the authorities speculate that the scent of farm animals on these two boys could confuse the hungry snake . . .why couldn't the familiar scent of the boys playing in that same snake's empty tank do the same?
9 posted on 08/07/2013 4:47:23 PM PDT by wtd
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On feeding night, I wipe my hands with sanitizer to remove any residual petting the dogs smell and use long forceps to present the thawed rats to my snakes.

When they see me bring in the ratsicles for thawing, they all start “cruising” their homes and hours later when it’s supper time, they’re in full feeding mode.

I don’t dare poke in a rat or dog scented hand.

All snake people know this.


10 posted on 08/07/2013 4:47:25 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: fwdude

If they were asleep, it would be very possible for the snake to kill both, but I still don’t see it as a likely occurance.

Large snakes don’t eat often, and twice in one day seems far fetched.


11 posted on 08/07/2013 4:48:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Wiggins

I should video one of my Boas grabbing their supper.

It’s not a subtle or gentle thing.

It’s quite noisy, in fact.


12 posted on 08/07/2013 4:50:08 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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Sexual abuse is one of the foremost motives that I can see for killing the boys. Photos of them in their underwear is a disturbing picture.


13 posted on 08/07/2013 4:51:44 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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Was your screen capture about a criminal ever shown to be a different man than the one with the boys and the python?


14 posted on 08/07/2013 4:52:45 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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If they were asleep, it would be very possible for the snake to kill both, but I still don’t see it as a likely occurance.

If the snake fell on them, it's conceivable how it could grip 1 child in its coils, but unless the two boys were sleeping closely together embracing each other, one or the other child would wake up from the disturbance and retreat or at least cry out.

Both getting killed is like falling on your own knife - twice.

15 posted on 08/07/2013 4:53:16 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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“There will be internal hemmorhages and possibly damaged bones.”

I think you are right. You probably know all this, but African rock pythons are supposedly very, very strong, maybe the strongest of the really big snakes. I recall a Steve Irwin episode with him in Africa rolling around with one of these, he said something like the strength of the thing blew the other big snakes away in his experience. I looked up some sites because I wanted to know if I was remembering this right, a few places enthusiasts said that the ‘afrock’ muscle fibers are very, very dense compared with some of the big snakes.

Also they supposedly can be very aggressive, but not sure how that would connect with this strange story. I know some little kids can very sound sleepers, and don’t know if they were sleeping close enough together where the coils would somehow get both at once.

Freegards


16 posted on 08/07/2013 4:58:25 PM PDT by Ransomed
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"Puny little Ball pythons “pop” the eyes of live mice every time they constrict them."

I read a story a few years back about a guy who got constricted by a python. He was rescued in the nick of time, but I think he had several broken ribs and the whites of his eyes were no longer white in the photo taken shortly after the attack - it looked like every blood vessel in his eyeballs must have burst.

I don't believe this story for one second.

17 posted on 08/07/2013 5:13:28 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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That is where I just stop cold too : /

I wondered on another thread; and hesitated to continue on til the autopsy results came back : /

I just cannot figure how no one heard 100lbs of snake falling through the ceiling, or how the snake was able to silence BOTH boys!

Sal, as our resident snakie expert :) I hope you can answer some of these niggling questions I have : /

Does the snake have to bite and lock on in order to constrict? If so, I just can’t see anyone silently succumbing to being bitten, let alone two little kids!

Another, if a snake is “startled” or defensive, do they generally bite and run like heck on his little snakie ribs, or just bite and constrict, to make sure?

And finally, IF they defensively bite and constrict, do they GENERALLY go ahead and eat anyway, or do they leave the unwise victim? I guess the shorter version is , do they eat if they are not hungry?

This whole thing just bothers me, and not creepy don’t like snakes kinda bother...more how in the heck did BOTH of these children die so quietly, that no one heard : /

Just can’t imagine that at least one of them, and honestly, both, would have been screaming...

So, so very troubling, and unimaginably sad.
Tatt


18 posted on 08/07/2013 5:14:18 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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I thought the same thing. The snake, according to the story, killed BOTH kids, but didn't eat either one.

I don't get that.

Like others have said, snakes aren't known for killing just for pleasure. Very few animals do.

19 posted on 08/07/2013 5:16:50 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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“Asphyxiation” tells me .... not much. If the snake (the one with scales) is responsible, they should have bite marks (these snakes usually bite, then coil) and massive “crush” injuries, perhaps broken bones, bruising. “Asphyxiation” could be caused by a pillow over the face.
20 posted on 08/07/2013 5:43:23 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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