I did not say anything about the imposition of martial law by decree. It can be imposed without such a declaration such as Watertown and as you demonstrated - will be accepted and considered justifiable in the name of safety and security.
A decade plus and we’re still taking off shoes, belts and submitting to every humiliation a TSA agent decides if we want to fly. We watch grannies get harassed, Children touched, vets having to humiliate themselves and strip their prosthesis from themselves. We make no waves. We tolerate every injustice - so we can get our little piece of what we need. Seatbelt checkpoints and soon ObamaCare Insurance proof. We tell ourselves that we need to trade a little liberty for security so we are “safe”. We tell ourselves that if it’s for the children, or the environment or the poor or the minority - we need to accommodate and surrender everything from the amount of water in our toilet to what we can eat at a movie theater.
That is not a hallmark of a people who are going to resist the imposition of tyranny. We already tolerate the tyranny and make excuses to tolerate it. We shrug our shoulders and say ‘what can we do’?
You have not answered a single one of my questions postulated, you ignored them because they make my point if you answer them honestly.
You are too much wishful thinking about how this country is going to react when facts, history and human nature are honestly considered. Even recent history.
You put your faith in a people who are allowing and accommodating every infringement on their liberties in the name of safety and security or fairness. You are trusting a people who sat on their hands while their free exercise of faith was rendered irrelevant in the culture until government became this culture’s god.
If this people are not going to stand up for their faith in the culture - why should we assume they are going to stand against the imposition of tyranny and subjugation when half the country wants to be dependent on government for their subsistence?
A people that refuse to believe and accept what is happening to them never arrive at the point they are able to resist the absolute horror their own government is going to unleash on them.
They are the ones who end up in mass graves.
INVAR, that was beautiful.
Windflier, you’re a great freeper, one I respect and generally agree with. I believe you would personally resist as a true American should. But I believe you will go down fighting without much support from your neighbors, if it ever comes to that.
Only if the enemy can’t break your spirit, does it muster the energy to break your body.
I appreciate your back and forth discussion and would like to just offer my own thoughts. I believe that the two of you are closer than you may think. I am interpreting your positions as follows:
Invar believes that given the slide towards tyranny that the American people are proving to be willing to accept being ruled by tyrannical leaders.
Windflier believes that there will be a point that the ruling elite pushes the American people to far and that will result in a violent response.
I believe that you are both correct, in a way. Yes, we have seen the slide towards total tyranny speed up and we are not seeing much of a response from the people. However, we are seeing an agitation begin to get more visible from a minority of the American people.
Remember, the Founders tried peacefully to redress the King for years. They were answered with further abuses and would respond with more peaceful attempts at redressing the abuse. This was ignored.....So, they decided to officially make the Declaration of Independence, knowing it could cost them their lives and would be followed with violence.
Still, after all of the abuse and the public declaration, there was still only a minority of the populace that supported them. There was approximately an equal number of folks that supported the King and again an equal number of folks that were complacent.
I believe we are currently in the same situation. We are suffering abuses and are petitioning for redressing our grievences. The governing elite are ignoring our peaceful attempts and foisting further abuses upon the citizenry. At some point a line will be crossed and that will lead to a violent response. However, this response will be supported by about a third of the population, and actually fewer will participate. Another third will actively oppose those fighting for liberty and finally a third will just not give a damn.
So, as Invar has stated, we are being abused by the governing elite and we have not seen any overwhelming response. Yet, as Windflier has stated, there will be some breaking point that results in an active opposition. I think the disconnect is that we must realize that it will be left to a minority of the population to protect liberty. Well, at least I can hope that we will be joined by others.....