Posted on 08/05/2013 8:40:00 AM PDT by jazusamo
Physicians have no business interrogating patients about their guns
In the wake of the George Zimmerman verdict, President Obama and other anti-gun advocates have called for changing Florida’s pro-Second Amendment laws. Their chances of getting the “stand your ground” statute overturned are slim, but the anti-gun groups are making significant progress in the Sunshine State in allowing activist doctors to push their agenda to disarm families.
A federal appeals court heard oral arguments on July 18 in the case that has become known as “Docs vs. Glocks.” The issue before the court is whether a patient’s right to privacy and protection from doctors who ask inappropriate political questions about what firearms are in the family home trumps the health care providers’ rights to ask and to keep records of whatever they want.
The Firearm Owners Privacy Act, which Gov. Rick Scott signed into law in June 2011, says that doctors should not ask families about whether they own guns. But if they choose to do so, and a patient feels the doctor has harassed or discriminated against them, he can file a complaint with the medical board so that the doctor’s peers can decide if the accusation is legitimate.
“The wording in the law is ‘should refrain,’” Florida Solicitor General Allen Winsor told the justices of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, according to The Associated Press.”It’s not mandating anything. It’s recommending. The use of the term is critical in this case.”
The issue came about after repeated cases surfaced of children being asked by doctors if there was a gun in the home. During the legislative process, one mother said her pediatrician refused to continue treating her child if she did not respond to questions about firearms at home.
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I think the better response is just to lie and say "no guns". Telling the doctor to MYOFB will just get you put down as a gun owner and probably a "belligerent" gun owner at that. And this will become part of your permanent federal digital medical records. (ie. gun registry). As much as it hurts, in this instance one should "just say no."
The actual medical file is the doctors property. You can get a copy of it but if you try to walk out they’ll report it stolen. They have to as it would be reportable to HHS.
No, the proper answer is: “I will have my lawyer call you to discuss the issue with you.”
The next step will be making giving false information to a doc a felony.
Hmmm. Seems every doctor in the country has become a feral government informant. I wonder how that feels.
Tell the “docs” to f*** off.
Most of the docs i talk with hate it. There are only about 30% which support it.
Is there a state where the doctor can compel you to answer these questions?
A better answer might be, “you’re fired.”
I honestly don't know but doubt it. I believe that may change with the full implementation of 0care and future changes to it. One more very good reason to kill 0care.
Or you can play the legal/political game:
Do what I did. Set up a "gun trust", a legal entity spelled out in a document. Put your title 1 firearms in Appendix A, your Title 2 firearms in Appendix B.
When any agent of the government asks you, "Do you own (or have) any firearms?".
Legally and ethically you can say, "No. I do not own any firearms, nor do I have any". (That is the truth, because your Gun Trusts owns/has them).
Now if they ask you "Do you have ACCESS to a firearm, you can always say, "I'm a law abiding citizen, so I guess if I went to a gunstore and bought one, I could quickly get access to one".
“your ‘file’ is a set of electronic records in a national database”
Not mine kiddo!!!
My medical records are NOT in an electronic format and they are NOT in a “national database”!!!
That’s what Obama wants, but it aint so yet!
Even if they scanned the written files, it’s pretty hard to search on the Doc’s handwriting!!
Do you know of some effort to type all that material in?
It's been many years, but I got my entire ORIGINAL primary care folder at one time.
I would still advocate firing your Doc, rather than answering such intrusive and irrelevant questions.
Yeah, we had to pass it just to find out what is in it. There’s always fun new things coming out of the Obamacare box...
Importantly, this was started by the radical liberal American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), who are strictly agenda politics, not care of children.
It got so bad that a former AAP president founded the American College of Pediatricians (ACP), which supports traditional values and emphasizes medical care for children, not political agenda.
Truthfully, new parents should be advised that when shopping for a Pediatrician, that they should make sure they are ACP not AAP.
Overweight?
High blood pressure?
Hich cholesterol?
Homophobic?
Smoker?
Drink alcohol more than once a week?
Sorry. You can’t legally own a firearm...for your own good.
Good info Bump.
The correct answer is “non-applicable in this context” and move on. Do not elaborate.
I would fire them too. I would not want to be associated with an anti-gun doc. there are two many ways they can cause you problems plus their judgement is already suspect.
I work with hospitals every single day. If you’ve been to a hospital or a doctor your records have most likely been scanned into their medical records database.
They are most likely working on a link between their database and the states Health Information Exchange (HIE) system.
Each state is working to connect that HIE to the IRS.
Its significantly more complicated then this shows but hopefully you’ll get the idea. Eventually written records will be completely replaced with electronic records. For key pieces of information there will be alerts built into the system, weight, smoker, diabetic, and probably gun owner (my guess).
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