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To: kabar
This scenario would mark the first time that natural increase was not the leading cause of population increase since at least 1850, when the census began collecting information about residents' country of birth.

This is a very misleading statement. Sounds like a version of the hockey stick view of earth temperatures.

Since this country started having European immigration in the 1600s, the expansion has happened with both native-born and immigrant residents. This census report would have us believe that immigration was a minor factor before 1850! Come on! It doesn't pass the smell test. I spend a lot of time on genealogy and family history research, and know that America has always had a large portion of its population growth because of people coming here to settle.

115 posted on 08/04/2013 10:12:54 AM PDT by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: maica
This is a very misleading statement. Sounds like a version of the hockey stick view of earth temperatures.

Nonsense. First, I suggest you go back to the link and read the entire press release from the Bureau of the Census. Trying to dismiss factual data sounds more like the way a liberal prefers to discuss issues. The press release puts the data projections in context. Population projections are based on data in much the same way as actuaries develop their projections. The data from the full census every ten years plus the annual community survey data have provided some very accurate projections over the years unlike those who asscribe global warming primarily to human beings.

Since this country started having European immigration in the 1600s, the expansion has happened with both native-born and immigrant residents. This census report would have us believe that immigration was a minor factor before 1850!

What nonsense. The statement, This scenario would mark the first time that natural increase was not the leading cause of population increase since at least 1850, when the census began collecting information about residents' country of birth indicates clearly that the 1850 date is used because that is when the census bureau started collecting information about a residents' country of birth. It never said it was a minor factor before that date.

What we do know is that it has never been the case since 1850 that immigration exceeded natural increase (births minus deaths) until the present day. If it happens between 2027 and 2038 as projected based on existing data and immigration policies, then it would be a huge occurrence. And if the McRubio-Schumer bill or anything like it passes, this will happen much sooner since the bill will bring in 33 million new permanent immigrants over the next ten years, which is more than the past 40 years combined. And add to that a doubling of the guest worker program that will double the 700,000 temporary work visas issued annually now.

Come on! It doesn't pass the smell test. I spend a lot of time on genealogy and family history research, and know that America has always had a large portion of its population growth because of people coming here to settle.

In my post #49 I provided a link to an article I wrote recently on the immigration issue. Whether you are aware of it or not, we have experienced over the past 40 years one of the greatest mass migrations in human history. We now have 40 million foreign-born in this country (a conservative figure). In 1970 one out of 21 was foreign born; today it is one in 8, the highest it has been in 90 years! And in less than a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history. The last two decades have been the highest two in our history in terms of numbers. Something very, very significant has been happening and most Americans are simply unaware of it.

I spend a lot of time on genealogy and family history research, and know that America has always had a large portion of its population growth because of people coming here to settle.

I have been working on this issue for the last 7 years. The immigration of the past is very different from what is happening today. As a result of the immigration act of 1965, the vast majority of our immigrants now come from the Third World. 87% of the legal immigrants are minorities as classified by the USG. Our immigration polices are bringing in primarily the poor and uneducated--not the skills we need to be competitive in the global economy. And do we really need 1.2 million legal immigrants every year when 20 million Americans are unemployed or underemployed? Immigrants use welfare programs to a much greater degree than the native born. They are helping to destroy our social safety net.

America needs to wake up to the facts about immigration. We prefer to romanticize it rather than analyzing its impact on our country. Legal immigration is more of a problem than illegal immigration. Demography is destiny.

130 posted on 08/04/2013 2:02:55 PM PDT by kabar
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