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To: sitetest
I repeat: you're going to lucky if you can get 10% to be home schooled. And as far as the great majority of parents being qualified to teach: at what level are you talking? Lower grade levels, sure...a sizable percentage could probably teach that...if they don't have to work to help support the family. That's where you're home schooling dream falls apart. Most parents work today.

But alright, let's say, against all the evidence, many parents decide to quit working and one of them decides to be a teacher. How many are qualified to teach upper level math and the sciences? You talk about some wide-ranging network of people to help with that problem. How many of the helpers do you think you'd need to educate many millions more students. Why don't you just send the children to a central place? You know, these places called schools. Sorry, your dream of half the nation's school children being home schooled is just not going to happen.

130 posted on 08/07/2013 3:36:18 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2
But alright, let's say, against all the evidence, many parents decide to quit working and one of them decides to be a teacher. How many are qualified to teach upper level math and the sciences?

In the upper grades, homeschoolers often teach themselves, just like college students do, and just like most government high school kids actually do.

There are plenty of on-line resources to fill in the gaps. That's what my daughter did, even though I was qualified to teach her. I did help her out from time to time, but she often corrected me.

Have you ever learned a software program by reading the manual? I was shocked when I learned that a software program that took me a week to learn, and be functional in, was offered as a semester-long course in art school.

Think of how focused children would be, and how quickly children would learn, if their courses were modularized, and where they could advance after passing a test. They wouldn't just sit around killing time.

I noticed this with my homeschool kids. Once they learned that they could go out and play after finishing their assignments, they got down to business, and finished their work quickly.

131 posted on 08/07/2013 3:48:24 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: driftless2
Dear driftless2,

“I repeat: you're going to lucky if you can get 10% to be home schooled.”

You may be right.

But I wasn't saying how many folks WOULD homeschool, only how many COULD homeschool. I also said it would be good for the country if more that COULD WOULD.

As to how many folks COULD homeschool, have the ability - I'd say that way more than half of parents could do a good job. Will they? I don't expect 50%+ of families to start homeschooling. But they could do it, if they were willing to make the sacrifice.

You're right that most folks work, now. And most folks would really hate to give up the second household income. But it can be done. It's all in your priorities.

I'm embarrassed to talk about what my wife and I gave up, because honestly, driftless2, what we gave up is immeasurably small to what we gained, infinitesimal compared to our reward. I feel almost petty to talk about our “sacrifice.”

Yet, my wife was a well-paid office manager when we had our first son and she decided to be a stay-at-home mom. Over the nearly two decades since, we've easily foregone the better part of a million dollars in income. That is only part of the “costs” we've incurred to educate and rear our children.

But what we have received back is priceless beyond diamonds and pearls, gold and silver. We have two sons who love God, who endeavor to serve Him first with their talents and lives, who have excelled academically beyond imagining, who are thoughtful, considerate, responsible, compassionate, who know right from wrong and endeavor always to do right, who respect and love their parents, and who are hardworking and ambitious to do their own personal best.

That's the priceless stuff.

There's also stuff to which a price can be attached, like the opportunities open to them as a result of their academic success.

The bottom line is, if it's a priority to you, you can homeschool. It's certainly worth the hard work and sacrifice.

And most folks can homeschool. Even through high school. The only reason why our sons went to Catholic high school instead of homeschooling through high school is because there was one high school that we felt would provide a comparably-good education to homeschooling, and it is a school with which my family has been associated since 1966. Even so, it is my sons who made the final choice.

“How many are qualified to teach upper level math and the sciences?”

Well, my younger son is starting his senior year in high school in a few weeks, and for us, it's a bit of “back to the future.” He's already taken the school's top math and physics class. I'm in no position to teach him multivariate calculus or advanced physics. My wife, neither. The one teacher at the high school who could do it can't fit two independent study courses for my son into his schedule.

So, we'll use on-line course ware. MIT has turned both classes into on-line courses, complete with texts, assignments, practice problems, video lectures, tests, and even real-time chat rooms to get help from others. Cost? Free. Same course ware used at MIT to teach these very classes to MIT undergraduates.

We have access to a homeschool mom who has a masters in engineering and is ABD in math. But we pay her, and if she weren't available, there are tutoring companies locally who could provide similar services.

I expect, though, that my son will need little assistance, since, as a homeschooler (even though he's been going to a traditional school for the past three years, like the Marines, there are no ex-homeschoolers), he will teach himself.

“You talk about some wide-ranging network of people to help with that problem. How many of the helpers do you think you'd need to educate many millions more students.”

With the plethora of resources available these days, fewer than you might think. And if demand increased, I suspect, so would supply. You may not realize it, but there are a lot of folks with degrees in math and science, and other fields, who would love to make the world a better place by transmitting their knowledge to students, but often can't because public schools will generally not permit them to teach math, science, history, philosophy, or whatever because all they have are degrees in math, science, history, philosophy or whatever, rather than the all-important degree in education!

And a lot of these folks ultimately conclude, it's a lot more fun to teach homeschoolers than public school students, anyway, because they're generally better-behaved, more polite and well-mannered, harder workers, and better prepared to handle the material, academically.

In our own extended group of homeschoolers over the years, I can count any number of folks who were able to teach advanced math, science, and other fields.

But even if these folks didn't exist within our group, there are many resources outside of our group that can be utilized.

“Why don't you just send the children to a central place? You know, these places called schools.”

I'm not against traditional schools. I'm against public schools. Good private schools can do a good job of educating students. But they're often very expensive, and most folks can do a better job of schooling at home than most good private schools can, and it's usually a whole lot cheaper.

As well, there are other benefits that are not strictly academic that accrue to homeschooling.

“Sorry, your dream of half the nation's school children being home schooled is just not going to happen.”

Although it'd be a great thing, I don't expect it to happen. That's something that you've project on to me. I figure homeschooling will increase, but most folks who could do it are probably too short-sighted to do so.

At least, for now.


sitetest

133 posted on 08/08/2013 12:45:43 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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