Posted on 08/03/2013 6:56:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Massive border security and E-Verify are central provisions of the Senate immigration bill, and they are supported by many in the House. Both provisions signal how wrong-headed much of the immigration-reform effort has become.
E-Verify is the real monster. If this part of the bill passes, all employers will be forced to use the government-run, Web-based system that checks potential employees' immigration status. That means, every American will have to obtain the federal government's prior approval in order to earn a living.
E-Verify might seem harmless now, but missions always creep and bureaucracies expand. Suppose that someone convicted of viewing child pornography is found teaching. There's a media hoopla. The government has this pre-employment check system. Surely we should link E-Verify to the criminal records of pedophiles? And why not all criminal records? We don't want alcoholic airline pilots, disbarred doctors, fraudster bankers and so on sneaking through.
Next, E-Verify will be attractive as a way to enforce hundreds of other employment laws and regulations. In the age of big data, the government can easily E-Verify age, union membership, education, employment history, and whether you've paid income taxes and signed up for health insurance.
The members of licensed occupations will love such low-cost enforcement of their cartels: We can't let unlicensed manicurists prey on unsuspecting customers, can we? E-Verify them! And while the government screens employee applications, they can also check on employers' compliance with all sorts of regulations by looking at the job applications they submit for verification.
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E-Verify is only supposed to verify citizenship status. Anything can be abused but we need some way to make sure employers are not hiring illegals. Otherwise they will do it.
I work in construction. Want to guess the percentage of contractors who knowingly hire illegals?
Welcome to the new C.C.C.P.
Oh, you mean like the quarterly reports every employer has to send in with the names, social security numbers, and amount earned for each employee? How about those little pieces of paper issued and sent in to the federal government that records every penny earned by honest workers? Do you suppose people can be tracked and controlled by that?
E-Verify is a way to keep the under the table crowd under control. I have no problem with it since the government already has all the information it needs to destroy every honest taxpayer in the country.
You mean it will catch illegal (undocumented Democrat) aliens that the employers aren't supposed to hire?
Where does it say in the constitution that employers are responsible to check the immigration status of their employees?
What the constitution actually states is that it is the obligation of the federal government to protect the border. If the federal government isn’t policing the border then what sense does it make to force employers to do their job for them? It’s actually illegal, and a violation of the rights of American citizens.
It’s called deportation. When was the last time the federal government deported anyone? It’s not the job of the employer to deport someone - something they have no authority to do.
Oh, you mean like the quarterly reports every employer has to send in with the names, social security numbers, and amount earned for each employee?”””””
The Federal Quarterly Report- Form 941 hasn’t required the details of names & Soc Sec numbers for about 20 years. State reports often still do. Calif does.
The first chance the Feds get to find a “Non-Match” is when you send in the W-2 forms or 1099 forms before Jan 31 each year.
The members of licensed occupations will love such low-cost enforcement of their cartels: We can’t let unlicensed manicurists prey on unsuspecting customers, can we? E-Verify them!
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Not so much. These sorts of licensing issues are at the state (maybe even the municipal) level. In my state it is the Department of Registration and Licensing. ALL they care about is the fee. The interpretation of required qualifications is loose. I cannot begin to count the unlicensed massage therapists who sneak by under one or another titling pretexts, even though we have real licensing, not just title protection.
However, I would be happy if they did verify qualifications. A poorly trained and unaccountable massage therapist can injure you or worse. There was a spate of infections traced to untrained manicurists back a few years ago. A cosmetologist or an esthetician without proper training is also a health hazard and there are lawsuits all the times against these professions for severe injury.
As for MDs, I know of two separate incidents in different states where licenses were waivered for various allowable practices with good cause, but both MDs were still allowed to practice if they avoided those procedures/practices and both regained their licenses after time, therapy and reapplication/review.
There is turf guarding, but it is mainly to protect the professions involved from being subjected to broad brush condemnation from a few unscrupulous practitioners.
Believe it or not a lot of people actually do get deported every year. Even Barry’s regime has deported a goodly number. But self deportation is the real answer and if the illegals can’t get a job they will leave on their own. E-Verify is not necessarily a bad thing. Or we could just have everybody show their birth certificate when they apply for a job. Call your Congressman.
As much as I would love to see all the illegals rounded up and kicked out a la Operation Wetback it just ain’t gonna happen. Too many bleeding hearts out there screaming its not fair.
0 would not be PRESident if subject to Everify. They used it at my employer and people got walked out. People with access to very sensitive info. Fyou wsj.
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“But self deportation is the real answer”
When welfare is available and EBTs are handed out like candy, self-deportation would only happen if and when welfare and EBTs were eliminated.
“illegals can’t get a job they will leave on their own.”
Nonsense. They’ll simply survive on welfare and EBTs. Not only will E-Verify fail to drive illegal immigrants from America, they will simply ‘shuffle’ them around to other states.
At the cost of vastly increasing the power of the federal government to regulate private hiring. This is bad.
“E-Verify is not necessarily a bad thing.”
It’s unnecessary. If employers did due diligence it would be entirely unnecessary. Most employers do not and want a ‘cheap and easy method’ that saves them from making difficult decisions.
Heck, if I were working as HR, I could easily sort out illegal immigrants from the rest. They are not hard to spot.
“Or we could just have everybody show their birth certificate when they apply for a job. Call your Congressman.”
I have no problem with employers asking for this.
“Too many bleeding hearts out there screaming its not fair.”
So the solution is to vastly increase the power of the federal government? The medicine is worse than the disease. I don’t trust Barry’s regime not to impose illegal mandates (such as forcing RTW to ‘use the union label’, or ensure that ‘political dissidents’ do not get a job. Welcome to the USSA.
The slightest error (Does the Government ever make a mistake?)would subject a person to a lifetime of legal battles with an ignorant bureaucracy just to remain out of prison, let alone earn a living. Ever try to talk to a government employee about anything??
E-Verify is only supposed to verify citizenship status.
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This is another communist agenda item.
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No need for E-Verify now that all of North America is the “Homeland”.
Canada, Mexico become part of U.S. ‘homeland’ during NSA Senate briefing (NAU)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3050361/posts
Chart on the web page shows all of North America as the “homeland”.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/canada-mexico-united-states-identified-homeland-during-senate-192128693.html
My daughter is a manager at a fast-food burger place (not McD/BK/Wendy’s) who told me yesterday that e-Verify has eliminated the illegal kitchen staff for the most part. It’s now local teens/twenties.
Excellent point:
“E-Verify is a way to keep the under the table crowd under control. I have no problem with it since the government already has all the information it needs to destroy every honest taxpayer in the country.”
Amen, the feds, state and locals have a lot of data on every legal citizen, and it is used basically every day in our current lives.
Even as a retired couple in our 70’s we are monitored and logged into data bases on a regular basis. Below are some examples:
We are in the process of refiing our home. Our FP retired and we have a new doctor. I will be needing some surgery in September with a new doctor in different city. My wife has recently fully retired and is in the process of rolling over her 401k to her established IRA. We had one of our credit cards recently compromised. We pay our federal and state income taxes quarterly and whenever we have an auto Minimum Distribution from our IRAS.
Each one of the above actions and others require a full submission of our SS numbers and a follow up of the last 4 digits whenever we check up on our credit cards or use the health system. We use our Cali drivers’s licenses to use our credit cards or to cash checks.
I can document ancestors arriving in country from the Mayflower and before then. I had ancestors in country before those coming over by ship came over.
In the military, I held a top secret clearance with background checks ran on me and my wife and our families.
Yet if either of us decided to go to work again, we would have to be E-Verified.
There are some, who want cheap labor or to expand a voting block of illegals, who think that E-Verification is illegal.
for the illegals.
In closing, here are your remarks again:
“E-Verify is a way to keep the under the table crowd under control. I have no problem with it since the government already has all the information it needs to destroy every honest taxpayer in the country.”
Yes, but the questions raised are legitimate.
Pro-amnesty supporters make a big thing about how illegal immigrants will have to pass Social Security screening by passing the e-verify system.
I think it is a good idea for all persons applying for jobs to pass the e-verify program.
So let's start with President Obama himself.
1. Let's see Obama demonstrate on national tv how the e-verify system will work under the new amnesty bill by putting his own social security number through the e-verify system.
2. Will Obama pass e-verify?
3. Maybe. Maybe not, because as we all know, some people claim that Obama's present Social Security number is a fraud.
4. So I challenge President Obama: Put up or shut up about e-verify by putting your own Social Security number through the e-verify program on national tv to show the American public how easy it is.
5. Right. Don't hold your breath.
You mean the E-VERIFY system that Obama fails?
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