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I don’t fight with social conservatives, I fight with you. It doesn’t have anything to do with social conservatism, it’s your lack of logic and incorrect factual assertions. You are not the embodiment of social conservatism. Check that ego, ansel12. I sometimes clash with (L)libertarians, too, and leftists all the time. You aren’t special, unfortunately. I actually agree with you on most of the issues, but your reasoning is just awful, your factual information is lacking, and you are a most unpleasant person as a result. The lying is the worst part. If somebody posted that reading John Wesley turned people into Zoroastrians, I would put that person in the same file as you.

Here, here. I think that these arguments are terribly dishonest.

I have been here since the late 90s (though I can't remember my old screen name) because I am a conservative.. I detest abortion, attend church, send my kids to a very conservative christian school that folks in town might think of as "fundie factory". Yet these threads devolve into some of the most ridiculous arguments by people so hard-headed that we are all liberals? Good lord people, we are further right than you statists.

Ansel I'll tell you what happened. I woke up to what the Republican party has become. Aren't you in the exact same boat as me, and ticked at the GOP? Haven't you suggested as much? First off, what would be so hard about acknowledging that common ground? All of us here are likely disgruntled.

Here is the difference between you and I.

I consider people as passionate as you are about this stuff as being on my side, you just have a couple of issues that you find more important to focus upon. You on the other hand think those of us who are sick of endless wars, the police state, the TSA, the NSA, domestic drones, prism. etc. as being liberals.

Also, how hard is it for you to stop comparing any of us to the Libertarian party? You can't even do that for the sake of discussion? You've been asked repeatedly, and you refuse, are you afraid of something?

This thread is a lot like another I got into a few months back. A guy (I assume) was arguing for a strict, Genesis-based creation of the universe. BUT, he claimed that Adam was created before anything else. I called him out on it, and we spent the next several hours going round and round. He doubled down on his error, then repeatedly denied having said it, then evaded the question by calling me an evolutionist, materialist, atheist, etc... He wouldn’t admit to what he had plainly typed earlier in the same thread. I wonder if ansel12 has a twin or two usernames.

You on the other hand think those of us who are sick of endless wars, the police state, the TSA, the NSA, domestic drones, prism. etc. as being liberals.

Incredible dishonesty, you won't find anything in my entire posting history that relates in anyway to that silly claim.

Here is your thought on social conservatism, on a thread where you were taking a stand that protects gay marriage and insures it's becoming nationwide, "I understand for many of you, Social Conservatism trumps all, and it doesn’t bother me as long as you don’t go all Police State on me.

How generous of you.