[RetiredTexasVet]

I haven’t seen anything released other than general policy and overall objectives. I haven’t seen a single computer program or any technical information. I haven’t seen any justification from the government for the spying without warrant with even a single case that the same thing could not have been accomplished with a warrant and limited to the prime suspects. The government has not offered a single “documented” case that warrantless spying could not have been otherwise accomplished (does not include the “50 or so undocumented cases”) where they can’t provide any substantial information (because it would be obvious that they are shovelling BS). You will note how they wait until the government utters their latest lie before they release another document that exposes their latest crime.

I’m patriotic but what they are doing is criminal and has nothing to do with national security. The politicians, Progressives in particular, are accessing this information and using against the US and anyone who stands for the US. The people running these programs are not patriots but lackeys of the NWO.

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[mylife]

We’ve also seem no documented proof that warrantless hacking is occurring.
We are taking the word of one man who we know nothing about, and the word of a liberal foreign newspaper.

[OneWingedShark]

I haven’t seen anything released other than general policy and overall objectives. I haven’t seen a single computer program or any technical information. I haven’t seen any justification from the government for the spying without warrant with even a single case that the same thing could not have been accomplished with a warrant and limited to the prime suspects. The government has not offered a single “documented” case that warrantless spying could not have been otherwise accomplished (does not include the “50 or so undocumented cases”) where they can’t provide any substantial information (because it would be obvious that they are shovelling BS). You will note how they wait until the government utters their latest lie before they release another document that exposes their latest crime.

I’m patriotic but what they are doing is criminal and has nothing to do with national security. The politicians, Progressives in particular, are accessing this information and using against the US and anyone who stands for the US. The people running these programs are not patriots but lackeys of the NWO.

It has everything to do with undermining the Bill of Rights:

1. no sort of unmonitored assembly,
2. no untraced firearm (all ammo, components or weapons purchases themselves will have their own table/query — not registration, just meta-data about purchases),
3. no unmonitored home activity (effectively negating the 3rd because comendeering your own devices is not quartering, nor are they soldiers.)
4. no being secure in person or effects against unreasonable searches,
5. no freedom from incriminating yourself [after all you have no privacy],
6. no open courts, or ability to defend yourself [hey, we don't do it in the FISA-court, that's precedent],
7. Who cares about civil suits, we have the law to squash you! (Plus we've exempted government agents from civil recourse, for the most part.)
8. Bwa-ha-ha-ha; The War on Drugs has been sucessful in rendering THIS meaningless.
9. Only useful in inventing new rights, ascending them to constitutional, and pronouncing new law. (See Roe v. Wade, also note how privacy only applies in cases of pregnancy, but not in life; else the NSA/TSA/IRS would be in trouble.)
10. Bwa-ha-ha-ha; Wicard v. Filburn? GONZALES, ATTORNEY GENERAL, et al. v. RAICH et al.?