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It's sad so many here on FR are so pessimistic or downright immature when it comes to what it actually takes to win at politics.

One loss sends them over the edge, ready for a third party, which loses each and every time (Ross Perot, anyone?)

One loss?

I've come to accept that there's a civil war in the Repub Party and the Roves will not surrender. He doesn't have to...he can raise millions.

I don't believe the RINOs can be removed from positions of power.

I don't believe they can be relied upon to protect our most basic rights, such as secure borders and free, fair elections.

I would look at a serious Third Party.

I didn't intend to paint everyone as caving after one loss, but some simply cannot stand even one loss, especially when I've talked them in to donating to a really good conservative, though we MUST put our money where our mouth is.

Liberals will always donate but are very reluctant to walk the walk. Yes, liberals will throw lavish parties and get their deep-pocketed friends to shell out big bucks but we conservatives have the numbers, if not the buckets of gold but it does take everyone donating something.

I've tried telling many that want me to guarantee a candidate will win if they donate something. That I cannot do but I can guarantee that if people don't donate, the candidate will lose.

Liberals aka RINOs can be elected but it takes people who are willing to quit listening to the media and quit believing that if a conservative takes a position away from a RINO in a Primary, the Democrat will beat the "untested newcomer!"

It's amazing just how timid some conservatives are, or worse yet, are almost as bad as liberals, who are looking to get something from government! I have found out, after participating in some phone surveys, that what conservatives want are their "conservative brand of goodies!" They are just not willing to give up goodies - period.

That's exactly why Bush (W) was so devastating, he began many more programs that Clinton did, but they were "compassionate conservative" programs!

They've come back to bite us in a big way, i.e. White House religious outreach, now they're Muslim and/or pseudo-Christian!