Posted on 07/30/2013 6:07:51 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
And the best part is that nobody sees me leave. :D
HAHAHA! Yessss!
....and that still happens! :)
“I disagree with your definition of Conservative. “
It isn’t mine, is is from the history of the field. Believe it or not, political science has a long history of actually trying to characterize what ideologies are, so as to better standardize the study of them. I just accumulate data which is already out there, and say to people - look how similar these things are. From your response, I am guessing you see the similarlity, so you want to ay the data I put out is made up. Yet the book has a few hundred source papers, all of which lay out the exact nature of all the things I am describing. My contribution is the similarity, which for some reason, Liberals find trauamtizing.
“High loyalty to an in-group = Conservative? And limited loyalty to an in-group = Liberal? I searched the Internet and must conclude that you invented your own definition of both.”
You did exemplary research. Except, that is the direct conclusion from John Jost’s 2003 meta analysis of political pychologies, the larget accumultion of all of the data accumulated in other studies, on the subject, to date. Search on his qoute about loyalty vs rebellion, as a distinct diferentiating factor between ideologues (I beleive it was a Livescience interview about his work.) The cite is on my site, and in the book. Jost is a Lib, and even he says Conservatives have a high degree of loyalty to in-group, while Libs have a high degree of openess to out-group interests (a polite way of saying disloyalty).
It is not surprising when you see Conservatives calling for trying and executing terrorists in Guantanmo with military tribunals, and Libs saying we need to turn them free overseas, because detaining them will make other countries not like us. Or Conservaties worrying about killing our nation’s enemies while Liberals whine about collateral damage. Or Conservatives opposing immigrants, and Libs wanting to roll out the red carpet.
One has the interests of the in-group at heart, one is worried about being liked by out-groups. Look around, and you see this everywhere.
“I know folks from both groups and they DEFY such pat definitions. “
You really don’t want to go labeling ideologies based on anecdotal data, especially by individual people who may not even know what real loyalty is, or be able to get outside their own head. I would say show me a study refuting this, but Jost’ is the most complete work on the subject to date, and even Liberals claim it is the gold standard. Like it or not, loyalty/selflessness and disloyalty/selfishness are two pans on the same scale, and they are not evenly spread among ideologies.
That said, I have never met a mature male who was a political Liberal, who violated the rules here, or upon whom I would rely. I know one who hung his own wife and children out to dry out of sheer cowardice. They (especially the males) are literally the rabbit people in our populations, and I would not rely on their loyalty or selflessness, any more than I would rely on an attack rabbit to protect my house.
I will cut many Liberal women slack, simply becasue I don’t think women were made for combat/sacrifice generally. So women who are less combative/aggressive may lean Liberal, and still be decent people. But honestly, men just have no such excuse. Liberalism among men is a black mark on the nature of their honor and their soul.
Cheers.
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