Posted on 07/29/2013 12:15:53 PM PDT by twister881
A 95 yr old man? What was he going to do charge them? ROTFLOL
You reckon its that simple to knock a knife out of someone’s hand? Besides, as other people have pointed out, he’s old enough to have potentially served in WWII. As in the story I posted above, even when they’re old, that combat training and experience can make them surprisingly dangerous. He might have killed German and Japanese soldiers with his bare hands when he was a young man for all we know.
Warna, wielding a 12-inch blade and a cane, was shocked with a Taser and then hit by the bean-bag rounds from police before later dying at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn about 2:30 a.m. Saturday, according to authorities.
Wonder what a taser does to a pacemaker?
If the job is too tough, or dangerous, for you...
Find other work.
Sets the tempo to Marimba for a few minutes and gives you a full recharge.
Actually, I don't know... But I'm betting it's not anything I'd want to experience.
Yup. Face it, these cops are pencil necked fags and should never have been hired.
Yes, Even with the marginal training that they give most police now a days.
A officer well trained on baton could have easily disarmed a knife wielding 95 y/o. Absolutely no excuse if more than 2 officers were present—distract and attack.
“I guess you think the cop was obliged to put his life at unneccessary risk to try and grapple with someone who chose to use a knife on him?”
One thing I discovered when my mom was in a nursing home, was that old, demented people on a mission can have almost a superhuman strength that you would not expect. I watched the aides grappling with some of these older folks and they could be dangerous. While sitting at my mom’s table one lunch hour, one of the patients just up and threw her food tray (with the food and plates still on it) at another patient. Luckily it was a glancing blow, but if it would have hit her chosen victim closer to the head, that old timer could have had a very serious injury. You have to be very careful, even with a 95 year old knife wielding man, especially if he is a loony bird on top of it.
I think any young or middle-aged man without training could probably disarm a 95-year-old. Geez.
God bless you.
My sisters and I made the same decision with our mother. Our decision was definitely re-enforced by the stint she had to take at a rehab center after she had broken her hip. We made sure that one of us was with her constantly between 7AM and 10PM while she was there. We hated having her in there.
My condolences to you for your loss. My mother died in 2007, and I still miss her very much.
It’s Park Forest, not Forest Park.
He was a knife wielding mental patient...Sat whhaa...the hell you talkin’ about, Willis?
I guess you think the cop was obliged to put his life at unneccessary risk to try and grapple with someone who chose to use a knife on him?...Yes, I truly, and most emphaticaaly believe so.
even when they’re old, that combat training and experience can make them surprisingly dangerous. He might have killed German and Japanese soldiers with his bare hands when he was a young man for all we know.....GTFOH, jizzbag.
“What a cruel way to die.”
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I agree. It’s almost as cruel as getting stabbed with a carving knife.
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any well-trained cop should have been able to subdue and disarm the man without too much trouble one would think....You just walk up and say “ Put the knife down , Gramps and we’ll find some chicks.” End of story. (I’ve done something similar to that.)
My dad at about the same age as yours was quite strong. Farm boy conditioning plus Navy training. Not someone to underestimate. I expect that conditions my imagination concerning the capabilities of the old fellow in this story.
But I would say this. In an earlier thread on the topic, someone mentioned this was probably a staff problem. That is, nursing home staff are expected to deal with these scenarios on a routine basis. That they had to call in police, who are NOT generally training in dealing with medically fragile persons as threats, suggests to me the staffers on duty either
A) were so poorly trained themselves they thought they couldn’t handle a weak old man with a big scary knife, or
B) they were very well trained and felt under the circumstances the old man was a greater threat than they were equipped to handle, or
C) they were well trained, could handle the threat, but knew the old man was enough of a problem there could be legal repercussions if they handled it themselves and things went awry, so they brought the police in as a scapegoating mechanism.
There are doubtless other possibilities I haven’t thought of, but these three occur to me as possible reasons for the odd extra step of involving the police at all, when this should have been a routine staff event.
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