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To: Dutchboy88

If we had the privilege of being one of those original apostles we could tear a lot of communions a big one. We don’t have that privilege.

I totally agree, there are some fundamental problems with doctrines here, for example it looks like people are potentially letting saints get between themselves and the Lord, but there’s undeniably also actual Christian practice going on in that communion. Christian practice is not at root a heap of doctrines, it is a personal salvific relationship between the human and the Savior. The bath water may be terrible, but don’t throw the baby out.


267 posted on 08/01/2013 3:15:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"The bath water may be terrible, but don’t throw the baby out."

LOL. No, the babies should not be thrown out. There are many believers chosen by God who have been attending the RCC. I visit with some of them regularly. I certainly do not want to imply that they cannot be part of the elect. At the same time, the reformation roundly condemned Rome for its papal errors, its indulgences, its priesthood, its Mariolatry, its sacraments, its traditions over Scripture. The recent trend to make nicey with that organization by otherwise reformed thinking believers has muddied the bath water more.

If a person is told, well, unmerited grace granting you faith in Jesus is of course the only thing which will rescue you, BUT if instead you really need to add the Law and circumcision and sacrifices and candles and absolution and confession and a statue of Mary and a pope and a priest to administer a wafer that has magically become the body of Jesus and some wine that has magically become the blood of Jesus (to re-crucify Him) and you need...well, it is no big deal. God will just wink at it?

It appears as though the attempt to not "hurt any feelings" has replaced the clear statements of truth the way Paul delivered them. He wanted the Judaizers to cut off certain important appendages while they were adding circumcision to the mix (Gal). I don't believe he thought this misunderstanding was innocuous. Are you certain that Rome has "Christian practice" going on? Or is it more of obfuscation of the message of grace, a replacement message? I am not persuaded the org is within the pale, my FRiend.

268 posted on 08/02/2013 7:22:44 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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