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To: Wonder Warthog

The assertion about which you are referring, stated, days ago, by Metmom, who gave up trying, was that the Catholic church states that unless one is a Catholic, he or she cannot achieve salvation.

That is simply not so.

The Church does not state that unless one is Catholic, he or she cannot get into heaven.

Nothing in the Bible nor in the Catechism states that.

If it did, it would be in one sentence, like, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life.’

It would be a profound teaching, and it would be simple and it would be divinely inspired, as it is not something any person or group of people could make up.

It would be stated By God very clearly, like on the tablets of the Commandments, as it is the path to heaven and it would be extremely clear.

Additionally, if it were so, Catholics would exhibit a profoundly different way of evangelizations. They would resemble Jehovah’s Witnesses or Evangelical Protestants, but they don’t, because it is not in the teaching of the Catholic Church that in order to be saved people need to be Catholic.

But it doesn’t teach that, therefore, Catholics are not simply lazy and uncaring, as some might think who are under the impression that Catholics are taught that the only way to salvation is through being a Catholic.

They handle evangelization much differently from that.

And they do listen very attentively to God’s Word, which never tells them that unless people are Catholic, they cannot get to heaven.

Catholics do not interpret the Bible they study the Bible itself, and turn to the theologians going back to the time of Christ, the Apostles, Paul, particularly, in his letters to the Romans, Corinthians, Colossians, and the Church Fathers, also, Timothy, Paul’s companion.

And they do not sit around and opine about what this means and what that means and go out and assert it.

They do not go about saying who is going to be saved and who isn’t based on their opinions of what God meant.

Their priesthood and its traditions go back to St. Peter, who was with Jesus during His time, and nowhere did he, Paul, Jesus, Mary, nor any of the Saints nor the Popes, bishops nor Patriarchs say that unless one is Catholic, one cannot enter heaven.

I might add, in case you are compelled to print or link to the Catechism, that Catholics do not read into the Catechism.

What’s in there is written for the laity and in lay terms, easy to understand. So, the full understanding is that we do not read between the lines.

The language is clear.

If the Church wanted us and the world to know that Catholics are the only ones to get into heaven, that’s what it would say.

If there are other sects or religions which state this about their religion, that is up to them, but to ascribe it to the Catholic Church for whatever reason is just not the truth.


507 posted on 07/31/2013 3:57:50 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
You might try actually reading what I wrote (and copied DIRECTLY from the Catechism).

None of your long-winded diatribe is telling me anything I don't already know. Before I joined the RCC, I read the Catechism cover-to-cover, and many, many, many other works on Catholicism and what it taught/teaches. Plus my wife is a cradle Catholic. I TEACH RCIA.

"The language is clear.",

Indeed, the language "is" clear, and it says precisely what "I" have said all along.

You're so focussed on somehow "winning the argument" that you miss opportunities to teach what the Church actually "does" say.

And in addition your "style" will (and does) simply alienate people.....even those who actually agree with you.

508 posted on 07/31/2013 5:03:20 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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