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To: Ira_Louvin
Argument with a friend...

I said,"Once again, we need to implore pastors and men and women of faith to get involved in the political process. The culture war is very real and our religious liberty is at stake."

My friend said,”NO, NO, NO, NO!!!! That's exactly where we do not want “men of faith”. I do not want “men of faith” telling politicians what to believe and what not to believe and then having said politician force that particular religious belief on me in the form of some law, Sharia or otherwise. Separation of church and state is a serious matter.”

I said,””Pastors and men and women of faith” are individuals, distinct and different from the organizational institution called ‘the Church”. These individuals are protected by the first amendment of the Constitution to be able to speak out and be involved in political process. You may not like the diversity of thought they bring but as property owners, tax payers and citizens of the United States they have the right and responsibility to do so.

Second, The idea of ‘Separation of Church and State’ is found no where in the Constitution. The ‘religion’ clause of the first amendment says, in part, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. The fear of the day was that the US might establish a ‘national church’ as in England. Secular humanists often reinterpret the first part of that clause to make it mean whatever they want but they always ignore the “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” part. I think there is little need for concern that we are on the verge of establishing a ‘national church’ but a great concern is arising about the free exercise.

Third, Christians do not want a theocracy in America. We generally want our culture to reflect a certain level of morality and mutual respect. We believe God's desire is for humankind to exercise free will. We think government should want no less. Freedom is the point. You and America today do now exist in a secular humanist Sharia shackled by a myriad of laws based on secular humanist religious beliefs. You don't see it because secular humanism pretends to not be a religion and because it is YOUR religious faith. Millions of American citizens are murdered each year before the god of sex without consequences; Millions of acres of farm land are shut down to pay homage to the god of ‘green’; Millions of American jobs are shipped to Asia and South America in worship of the god of multi-nationalism; Energy production is devastated for the carbon based god of pseudo science; Ever escalating taxes, regulations, fees, levies and licenses restrict your behavior and steal your money to burn it on the altar of the ever increasing parasite class and before the god of false altruism. There has never been a time in American history during which this culture has been more thoroughly dominated by a religious faith, secular humanism. You “do not want men of faith telling politicians what to believe?”... Sorry pal, but that's exactly what you've got.

12 posted on 07/28/2013 11:13:30 AM PDT by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: DWar

“You and America today do now exist in a secular humanist Sharia shackled by a myriad of laws based on secular humanist religious beliefs. You don’t see it because secular humanism pretends to not be a religion and because it is YOUR religious faith. Millions of American citizens are murdered each year before the god of sex without consequences......”

This is very good. I would like to see this in an expanded essay by you. It never occurred to me before that we are, in fact, trapped in a “secular humanist sharia.” That quite accurately summarizes the situation. Secular humanism, as you point out, has become the state church.


34 posted on 07/28/2013 3:44:30 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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