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Bill Gates’ nuclear company explores molten salt reactors, thorium
Weinberg Foundation ^ | July 23rd, 2013 | Mark Halper

Posted on 07/24/2013 9:21:40 AM PDT by ckilmer

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1 posted on 07/24/2013 9:21:41 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

send an email to me if you’re interested in a free copy of “Collapsing Water and Energy Costs: How Bill Gates [Or You!] Can Create the Inventions That Spark the Next Industrial and Agricultural Revolution”
http://www.amazon.com/kindle-store/dp/B0089Z7V6Y


2 posted on 07/24/2013 9:24:51 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Well someday we will probably be buying molten salt reactors froms china and paying the licensing fees to Microsoft...

Powered by Microsoft may appear on your fusebox...

Bluescreens will be BRUTAL!!!


3 posted on 07/24/2013 9:26:01 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Powered by Microsoft may appear on your fusebox...
*******
It will require never ending upgrades and patches to fix bugs.


4 posted on 07/24/2013 9:28:22 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

There will be no more power outages. They will be power “issues”.

Microsoft greatest achievement, IMO, is the morphing of:

Screw-up
F***-up
Calamity
Crash
Catastrophe
Bungle
Error
Foul-up
Mistake
Failure

Into “issues”.


5 posted on 07/24/2013 9:35:25 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Jayster

ping


6 posted on 07/24/2013 9:35:56 AM PDT by Heartlander (It's time we stopped profiling crazy ass crackers)
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To: ckilmer

Given the “quality” of Microsoft products, I do not want to be within a continent of any nuclear reactors even remotely associated with Bill Gates.

He was a good crook...er...businessman...but he’s not even remotely close to being a technology janitor.


7 posted on 07/24/2013 9:39:53 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: ckilmer
The only drawback from thorium reactors is that the waste generated is much worse than that from U/Pu reactors. On the good side, thorium reactors cannot be used to generate weapons-grade material.

India has a big chunk of the world's supply of thorium, so this would be a good thing for them.

8 posted on 07/24/2013 9:49:17 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Heartlander

https://www.facebook.com/EnergyFromThorium


9 posted on 07/24/2013 9:49:56 AM PDT by Jayster
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To: The Antiyuppie

How does Bill Gates change a light bulb?

He doesn’t. He declares darkness industry standard.


10 posted on 07/24/2013 9:50:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: GraceG
Bluescreens will be BRUTAL!!!

Yeah, but look on the bright side - reboot the reactor every so often and it should be just fine. And just think of it running under the Metro interface - one swipe of the finger and you could check your Facebook postings and start a planet-wasting nuclear disaster. What's not to like?

12 posted on 07/24/2013 9:56:52 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Hoodat

The only drawback from thorium reactors is that the waste generated is much worse than that from U/Pu reactors.
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if we are talking about lftr reactors —this is 100% false.

The waste from lftr reactors is something on the order of 1% of the waste from light water uranium reactor. Heck the guy who invented light water reactors also invented thorium lftr reactors. Alvin Weinberg was the guy. He went to his grave saying the USA made a terrible mistake when it abandoned the lftr reactors.

And yeah I know both the Indians and the Russians had thorium programs —which they abandoned back in the 70’s & 80’s when the USA abandoned its thorium program.

There’s huge thorium deposits all over the world. But the lftr designs can also be used to burn up radioactive waste from uranium based reactors.


13 posted on 07/24/2013 9:58:32 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

“if we are talking about lftr reactors —this is 100% false”

Exactly......I have been following this for a while now.

I think that there is a disinformation campaign going on.


14 posted on 07/24/2013 10:01:23 AM PDT by Jayster
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To: chandlerlansing
Agreed.

What I cannot understand is why this technology was not perfected earlier. Simpler, safer, and an overall better choice.

Thorium is a better choice for fuel, and Sodium is a good choice for a cooling medium, as it operates at much higher temperatures, no pressurization, uses the fuel more efficiently, and burns the fuel out, leaving much less waste.

The down side? Starting one still requires Uranium, since thorium cannot self-start, the salt is very corrosive at these high temperatures, and the salt needs to be preheated before introducing it to the reactor. A reactor that is allowed to cool with the salt in it would be a real problem.

Life is full of Ups and Downs, I suppose.

15 posted on 07/24/2013 10:13:43 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel

The why is easy: it didn’t create nuclear warhead material.


16 posted on 07/24/2013 10:19:44 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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To: ckilmer

I still believe that small concrete enclosed, lead lined, and sealed thorium sources used to generate steam and rated for individual households or subdivisions are the way to go. Once the source is worn out you do just like a carrier refuel and take out the whole module with a crane and replace it with a new one.

Heck for that matter Radon has an activity only ~4 times less than uranimum (~5.5 times less than thorium) but is major more prevalent in the soil and could potentially provide the necessary heat source given a larger pile.


17 posted on 07/24/2013 10:36:00 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: chandlerlansing
I agree that media hypes Fukushima way up; considering this excerpt from wikipeda about the earthquake/tsunami:
The 2011 earthquake off the Pacific coast of Tōhoku (東北地方太平洋沖地震 Tōhoku-chihō Taiheiyō Oki Jishin?), often referred to in Japan as the Great East Japan Earthquake (東日本大震災 Higashi nihon daishinsai?)[8][9][10][fn 1] and also known as the 2011 Tohoku earthquake,[11] and the 3.11 Earthquake, was a magnitude 9.0 (Mw) undersea megathrust earthquake off the coast of Japan that occurred at 14:46 JST (05:46 UTC) on Friday 11 March 2011,[2][3][12] with the epicentre approximately 70 kilometres (43 mi) east of the Oshika Peninsula of Tōhoku and the hypocenter at an underwater depth of approximately 30 km (19 mi).[2][13] It was the most powerful known earthquake ever to have hit Japan, and the fifth most powerful earthquake in the world since modern record-keeping began in 1900.[12][14][15] The earthquake triggered powerful tsunami waves that reached heights of up to 40.5 metres (133 ft) in Miyako in Tōhoku's Iwate Prefecture,[16][17] and which, in the Sendai area, travelled up to 10 km (6 mi) inland.[18] The earthquake moved Honshu (the main island of Japan) 2.4 m (8 ft) east and shifted the Earth on its axis by estimates of between 10 cm (4 in) and 25 cm (10 in)
I think it's safe to say that the nuclear plant even continuing to exist w/ enough integrity not to lose everything is a pretty good testament to the safety of nuclear power.
18 posted on 07/24/2013 11:16:53 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Hoodat; All

In the case of LFTR waste, it tends to come out “hot” but it decays MUCH more rapidly than conventional LWRs.

In a one year scenario, a 1MgW LFTR reactor will generate a ton of waste of which 83% becomes inert within 10 years. This inert waste can be partitioned off and processed for secondary products such as medical isotopes, precious metals, magnets and gases.

The same can be said when a LFTR is used to burn up nuclear waste from Yucca Mountain. Useful byproducts are created in the burning up process.

Gas waste, such as Xenon and Krypton, can be continuously filtered off due to the fact that a LFTR has a liquid core and gases lift upward.

What people need to realize is that the Thorium decay cycle is quite different than the Uranium decay cycle. That’s whats so awesome about Thorium.

Is Nuclear Waste Really Waste?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv-mFSoZOkE

Energy From Thorium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZR0UKxNPh8


19 posted on 07/24/2013 4:26:04 PM PDT by Kolath
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To: antidisestablishment
I'm heartened to see Bill Gates money being put to good use. Clever that he actually got someone to explore all the nuclear technologies and is now at least exploring liquid fuels (molten salts).

I've spent several hours this week on You Tube watching lectures, seminars and conferences on Molten Salt Reactors. Google: "LFTR" and if you have a couple of hours "thorium remix"

20 posted on 07/24/2013 4:32:47 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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