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Ted Cruz could beat Hillary
Salon ^ | SATURDAY, JUL 20, 2013 | JONATHAN BERNSTEIN

Posted on 07/21/2013 2:01:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway

He may be a right-wing nut, but the Texas senator can beat a Democrat in a general election. Here's why

There’s been some more buzz this week about Ted Cruz’s presidential prospects. The demagoguing senator took his first trip to Iowa just six months after being sworn in to office, and he’s pretty clearly reaching for the White House. Early reports are that it’s going well. And Rich Yeselson wrote a high-profile (and fascinating) essay arguing that, basically, Cruz is perfectly positioned for reaching the top of the Republican ticket.

The focus of this piece is on Cruz’s general election viability. When it comes to the primary, I’m not going to start handicapping the viable candidates seeking the Republican nomination yet; I’ll only say that I don’t see any reason not to include Cruz in that group, as of now. Viable candidates have conventional credentials and are in the mainstream of their party on questions of public policy. Cruz, from what we know now, qualifies. With four years in elected office by January 2017, he’ll be in a similar boat with Barack Obama (who, granted, had held lower office as well) and Mitt Romney (who at least had four full years before his campaign began). And while Cruz surely is planted at an edge of the Republican mainstream, I don’t see any reason, so far, to believe he’s close to falling off that edge. Whether or not Yeselson is correct that Cruz is a particularly strong candidate, it’s certainly very possible to see him nominated.

But what about the general election? Could he actually win?

What I hear from many liberals about Cruz’s chances are two things. One is just disbelief: Republicans wouldn’t really do something like nominate Cruz, would they? The key is that Ted Cruz isn’t Herman Cain or even Michele Bachmann; he’s a United States senator, and that counts for something (that is, conventional credentials count for something) in presidential elections. So, yes, they really could do something like that.

The other thing I hear, however, is perhaps even more wrong. Some liberals react by actively rooting for Cruz. The theory? The nuttier the nominee, the worse the chances of Republicans retaking the White House. Indeed, in conversation I’ve heard all sorts of justifications: Cruz couldn’t possibly win Florida! Therefore, he couldn’t win the White House!

Don’t listen to it.

The smart money play for liberals remains to root, in the Republican primary, for whichever candidate would make the best – or perhaps the least-worst – president.

The bottom line is that candidates just don’t matter all that much in presidential elections. Yes, a reputation for ideological extremism hurts, but it appears to hurt maybe 2 or 3 percentage points. Yes, George McGovern and Barry Goldwater had reputations for ideological extremism and were buried, but in both cases it was by a popular president during good times. Ronald Reagan wasn’t slowed much (although, still, some) by his conservative image. Don’t get me wrong: There’s no evidence for the opposite theory, that avoiding the squishy center (in either direction) will magically produce an avalanche of new voters who otherwise would have stayed home. Going moderate is better. It just isn’t all that much better.

Now, on top of that, it’s an open question whether Cruz would really wind up with a reputation as more of a fringe figure than any other plausible nominee. For one thing, the Republican nomination process may bring out inflamed rhetoric, but it’s also likely to create converging policy views among the candidates. Indeed, it’s not impossible to imagine a scenario in which Cruz wins the nomination as the hero of conservatives, which then leaves him far more free to pivot to the center in the general election race than a less trusted candidate might have. Granted, the other possibility is very real as well – Cruz spends the nomination fight solidifying his conservative reputation, and then finds it sticks with him no matter what he does later. And it’s worth noting that Mitt Romney’s reputation as relatively moderate managed to survive everything he did in in the entire 2012 election cycle.

The bottom line, however, is that Ted Cruz is unlikely to drop more than a couple points to the Democratic nominee. And that’s not likely to swing the election. Could it? Sure; even a small bump would have sunk the Republicans in 2000, for example. But most elections aren’t narrow enough for a couple of points to make a difference.

The only exception to this would be for someone who doesn’t even have conventional credentials. Nominate Cain or Bachmann, and it’s not difficult to believe that the penalty would be very large. There’s no way of knowing, however, because no one like that ever gets nominated. So, sure, root for them, but it ain’t gonna happen.

So what it all comes down to is if you really believe that Cruz is more dangerous as president than Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Chris Christie or the rest of the likely field, then you most definitely don’t want him in place just in case 2016 turns out to be a good year for Republicans.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016elections; cruz2016; hillary2016
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To: maine-iac7
she carries DUEL citizenship, automatically. Ever hear of that?

Is that where you have a pick of the weapons before you fight to the death, for citizenship?

41 posted on 07/21/2013 3:12:24 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (HEY RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: righttackle44

Check out posts #27 & # 39, Oh wise one.


42 posted on 07/21/2013 3:17:40 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

That goes for any R pres. candidate against any D and their overwhelming liberal media. The R candidate has to beat both.


43 posted on 07/21/2013 3:20:34 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: CivilWarBrewing
In order to beat Hillary, you have to beat the media (and mention Benghazi OFTEN).

Mention her age. More exactly, how old she is.

44 posted on 07/21/2013 3:29:13 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: nickcarraway
Ted Cruz could beat Hillary

I certainly hope so. I salivate at the thought of that wench (HRC) being slapped down one last time before she finally strokes out.

45 posted on 07/21/2013 3:33:17 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Cruz/West would be the best ticket in the nation! PERIOD.

Or any ticket with West on it for that matter.


46 posted on 07/21/2013 3:36:17 PM PDT by Cyclone59 (I wish people would get their heads out of their butts and their noses out of everyones business)
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To: Cyclone59

I’d prefer one with eligible Americans on it, but I guess I’m just a minority these days.


47 posted on 07/21/2013 3:38:05 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Wellington VII

Cruz is qualfied to be a US senator. He is not qualified under Art II sec 1 Clause 5 as a natural born citizen. You have to have two citizen parents AT BIRTH not one who aspires to be one in the future.

I concede that if Obama is not removed because of his ineligibility than that provision of the USC will be rendered moot.
I wish Cruz WAS eligible because he is a pretty reliable conservative. But I am a constitutionalist before I will yeild to any cult of personality


48 posted on 07/21/2013 3:38:45 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: maine-iac7

How about we follow the laws and the constitution? I thought we were the party that supported them?

I love Cruz, but he needs to stay as a senator.

Let the other 49 states try to come up with a president for once!


49 posted on 07/21/2013 3:39:24 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

*sniff* *sniff*


50 posted on 07/21/2013 3:39:35 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: DMZFrank

Your wish came true. He’s eligible.


51 posted on 07/21/2013 3:40:37 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: DMZFrank
I concede that if Obama is not removed because of his ineligibility than that provision of the USC will be rendered moot. I wish Cruz WAS eligible because he is a pretty reliable conservative. But I am a constitutionalist before I will yeild to any cult of personality

What you said, and it's a damn shame because I think Cruz is great.

52 posted on 07/21/2013 3:40:51 PM PDT by Marathoner (Sarah Palin is our Esther, for such a time as this)
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To: Kip Russell

Agreed, although I think an effective leader could win over enough people. We weren’t that far last year. Florida was razor thin. Virginia could have been won. Ohio and the Midwest is where we have problems and have to figure out how to turn the tide. Sme of this is a natural back and forth between parties. Some of it is a gradual slide to a failed euro-style welfare state. I think we have to hope that the unusual mix of campaign skill of the Obama team and race politics is one of huge underlying aspects of this election. Could a Hillary or Cuomo or someone else be subbed in with the same effectiveness? I don’t know. If we had a better candidate and they had a less effective candidate, how would it look different?


53 posted on 07/21/2013 3:42:02 PM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: ilgipper
Your points on the individual states are certainly valid; depending on the circumstances, it wouldn't take that many purple-ish states to flip things back.

Some of it is a gradual slide to a failed euro-style welfare state.

That's the crux of it, I think.

If we had a better candidate and they had a less effective candidate, how would it look different?

I've just been speculating, of course. If a truly charismatic Republican candidate went up against a lousy Democrat, could he (or she) win? Sure...but I wouldn't bet on it.

54 posted on 07/21/2013 3:51:34 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: ilgipper

we had an effective conservative leader whom we refused to support because of the Newt train, leading to Romney.

Please explain to me why republicans deserve to win? I just don’t see it. McCain and Romney indicates to me that Republicans just don’t care about winning.


55 posted on 07/21/2013 3:54:38 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Captainpaintball

Yup: Jumped right in there mocking him.


56 posted on 07/21/2013 3:54:43 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: faucetman

What part of Kenya don’t you understand. If Obama is eligible, anyone is.


57 posted on 07/21/2013 3:55:19 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: fieldmarshaldj

According to whom? Barack Obama?

Weren’t you the one arguing that ‘sticking with rules is for losers?’


58 posted on 07/21/2013 3:55:25 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Truth29

And the media.


59 posted on 07/21/2013 3:56:23 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: DMZFrank
I wish Cruz WAS eligible because he is a pretty reliable conservative. But I am a constitutionalist before I will yeild to any cult of personality

"Cult of personality" seems to be going around these days.

There are some here who want to remain ignorant about natural law versus positive law. They do not acknowledge the distinction between the two. Some do not understand the difference, and some play ignorant since they want their favorite candidate(s) to be eligible because they want it and that is all what counts in their minds.

60 posted on 07/21/2013 3:57:41 PM PDT by Red Steel
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