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Police raid felt like home invasion
Herald-Tribune (Sarasota, FL) ^ | 7/18/2013 | Tom Lyons

Posted on 07/19/2013 9:10:11 PM PDT by tpmintx

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To: tpmintx
They're lucky they don't have a dog!

That is something I have worried about. How would someone handle something like what happened to this lady, if they had dogs?

Locking them in a room probably isn't an option, because if the police go in the room *blam* *blam*.

Also, the police may break the door in whilst you're trying to get your dogs safe, then what? That would surely freak a dog out and get them in a tizzy.

I don't think leashing them is fool-proof either, I've read a few where leashed dogs were shot. Would muzzles work to keep the dogs safe?

Also, did this cop have a warrant to be going in all these apartments? How does that work?

I am starting to wonder what is the big difference from what we have and a police state? We're at the very least on the fast track, no?

21 posted on 07/19/2013 10:03:03 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

I predict a lawsuit and settlement will follow (no warrant for that residence from what I’ve read).

Ironically, since the cop didn’t shoot the innocent homeowners and showed a modicum or restraint, he’ll probably be fired. No joke.


22 posted on 07/19/2013 10:06:37 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Irenic

Yes, the police state is here.


23 posted on 07/19/2013 10:27:50 PM PDT by jayrunner
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To: mowowie
Maybe the officer should have been a little more covert in his actions while peering into the windows of easily frightened woman who possess concealed weapons permits for just such situations.

Last time I checked, you don't need a permit for having weapons in your home. But with the corrupt government we now have that's probably not far off.

24 posted on 07/19/2013 10:39:57 PM PDT by ASouthernGrl (BHO sucks - literally or metaphorically, you decide.)
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To: tpmintx
If the imbecile pigs ever come to my house and try to do a SWAT-style entry without making it REAL clear that they are Law Officers executing a warrent, they'll be cut to shreds by a .50 caliber belt-fed lead-storm. Too many "Amish" have learned that a successful home invasion where they don't even get shot at only requires yelling "POLICE, OPEN UP!!!" before kicking the door in.

I would much rather go to jail for shredding a bunch of dog-killing, pack-animal cowboys with badges than risk being duct-taped to a chair and being made to watch thugs who yelled "POLICE!" gang-rape my wife.

Too bad for the LE rumpswabs, but that's just the way it is.

They most likely could never find my house anyway. My mailing address has no relation to my home, and my driveway is all but impossible to detect from the road. Remember, the correct question is no longer, "Are you paranoid?"

It's, "Are you paranoid enough?" LMAO!!!

8-\

25 posted on 07/19/2013 11:02:35 PM PDT by Gargantua (America's starting to smell like a steaming pile of Obama.)
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To: Veggie Todd
Police raid felt like home invasion

Because that's exactly what it was!

Agree.

26 posted on 07/19/2013 11:51:58 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: tpmintx
Happy Easter America!


27 posted on 07/20/2013 12:32:43 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Irenic

What I want to know is what made this cop think that by her/her husband’s actions that it suggested the rapist was in her apartment?

A woman looking out the window and holding a gun ? Wouldn’t that indicate she thought the ‘rapist’ was OUTSIDE PEEKING IN THE WINDOW ?

What kind of ‘rapist’ lets the woman he’s raping have a gun and argue with someone knocking at the door ?

In this case, not only were the cops at the wrong ‘address’, they weren’t even in the right ZIPCODE.

When does it take 30 COPS in swat gear to search for one ‘at large’ rapist ? Has anyone ever heard of a 30 man team searching an apartment building looking for a rapist?

Why the various uniforms ?

I think they were just going around the apartment building seeing if they could wake up women in their nighties and get them to answer the door.

Was there a ‘rape’ report from that apartment complex, or just a rumor that he might be there?

I think the whole story stinks to high heaven.


28 posted on 07/20/2013 12:33:10 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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“I asked him what happened. He said they had a tip that a child-rape suspect was at the complex.

That suspect, Kyle Riley, was arrested several hours later in another part of Sarasota.

The tip was never about Goldsberry’s apartment, specifically, Wiggins acknowledged. It was about the complex.”

And this gets to the point about the 4th Amendment.

It is precise and clear as to what the government must meet as a minimum for search and seizure:

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized”

It’s very specific as to the person, place and things.

Yet, here we have an LEO telling us they are going to search an entire complex for someone, who supposedly lives there.

But, Where is there? It has to be an apartment right?

What precluded them from surveilling the place, to ascertain if he even enters the complex, much less if bunks in one of the abodes and more importantly, which one.


29 posted on 07/20/2013 12:59:53 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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Seems like they didn’t have a dog.

Lucky them.

The dog would most surely be dead and they would be severely injured...


30 posted on 07/20/2013 1:00:41 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: piytar

Texas Rangers are bad Azz and just so Kewel...


31 posted on 07/20/2013 1:02:24 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
Texas Rangers are bad Azz and just so Kewel...

Was that /sarc? Couldn't tell. Sorry.

32 posted on 07/20/2013 1:18:50 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar

Naw. They are Chuck Norris bad.


33 posted on 07/20/2013 1:29:00 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: tpmintx
Wiggins or Wiggums? Not much difference it would seem. ’roid rage? Despite his assertion to the contrary, what can he cite as probable cause that would pass judicial muster?

Maybe it is time to revisit exactly what "arms" in the 2nd Amendment means. Surely it would include sufficient fire power to confront an out-of-control State. "Say hello to my little friend" comes to mind.

34 posted on 07/20/2013 1:34:01 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: bigbob

That “thin blue line” is becoming more like a “broad autistic smear”. No insult to autistics intended.


35 posted on 07/20/2013 1:38:37 AM PDT by Don W (Know what you WANT. Know what you NEED. Know the DIFFERENCE!)
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To: tpmintx
Goldsberry wasn't arrested or shot despite pointing a gun at a cop,
so Wiggins said, “She sure shouldn't be going to the press.”

I'm sure he'd be fine with it if it happened to his family.

36 posted on 07/20/2013 2:29:40 AM PDT by kanawa (FB...Save George Zimmerman from racial onslaught)
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To: Veggie Todd

Just a layman but it sure looks like the cops/marshalls broke the law.

Hunting a fugitive does not give them authority to enter every apartment without consent.

They need probable cause, imminent danger or consent.

Anybody else see it this way?


37 posted on 07/20/2013 3:14:41 AM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: tpmintx

If this happened at my house, several people - probably including me - would have died.

This kinda police-state $hit MUST stop!


38 posted on 07/20/2013 3:18:37 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: tpmintx
Matt Wiggins was the man at the door.

He's with the U.S. Marshal's fugitive division.

I asked him what happened. He said they had a tip that a child-rape suspect was at the complex.

That suspect, Kyle Riley, was arrested several hours later in another part of Sarasota.

The tip was never about Goldsberry's apartment, specifically, Wiggins acknowledged. It was about the complex.

But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

“I went above and beyond,” Wiggins said. “I have to go home at night.”

“We were clearly the police,” Wiggins insisted. “She can't say she didn't know.”

“I feel bad for her,” Wiggins conceded, finally. “But at the same time, I had to reasonably believe the bad guy was in her house based on what they were doing.”

Goldsberry wasn't arrested or shot despite pointing a gun at a cop, so Wiggins said, “She sure shouldn't be going to the press.”

Matt Wiggins is an incompetent, power-crazed hack who is not fit to be a U.S. Marshal, much less dog catcher.

39 posted on 07/20/2013 3:42:20 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: tpmintx

To the Police:

To you these tactics seem good and just, Why? Because you want to go home to your family at night. To us the citizens of the United States they are terroristic in nature and deed.

Now I want the police to think about something: What if the Criminals say; “Hey this works for the PO-PO and the suckers, (I mean citizen), allow it then let’s do the same thing Man! Just yell police when we bust in and them when the suckers drop their weapons and hit the floor we can blast them!”

The natural reaction once that becomes the normal ‘home invasion’ tactic is to get the heaviest rifle you can afford and just start blasting through the door at the ‘home invaders’ Badged or not. Why? Because I have to sleep at night knowing that I did the best to defend my family from the criminals who posed as police to invade my home.

Stand your ground laws or not. Your HOME is your Castle and you have the natural right to defend it however you can,


40 posted on 07/20/2013 3:47:47 AM PDT by The Working Man
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