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To: publius911
Are you a "public employee?" If I were, I would be right there alongside you.

No I'm not, I spent my life in private industry.

It doesn't really matter if it's the public or private, you spent your entire life working for either one with a contractual guarantee of a pension. Take it away or cut it would be disasterous for the majority of people who planned their lives on their pensions.

Does that mean that I support the public sector pension and healthcare plans? Absolutely not, especially since I have funded them with my tax dollars. But it is what it is, change them going foreward but don't destroy the lives of those people who worked for what they are receiving..........

As a side note, even my own past employer changed their pension plan and healthcare structure for new employees back in the early 2000's. Pensions would be contributory and healthcare would not be offered following retirement. That became a non-issue when the plants were closed down and the corporation itself was sold off to a Canadian manufacturing group who ultimately released all associated employees.

96 posted on 07/19/2013 4:11:52 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: Hot Tabasco; publius911
"contractual guarantee of a pension"

Who, in this world, can "guarantee" the future?

124 posted on 07/19/2013 9:13:11 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Hot Tabasco

But it is what it is, change them going foreward but don’t destroy the lives of those people who worked for what they are receiving..........


Sorry, but this is crap. My kids don’t owe you a damned thing. They never voted for these politicians and they are not even working yet. We caused this because we allowed our politicians and public unions to go crazy and now you and many others want to tell my children that they owe you.

Why? They had no skin in the game so why should you be allowed to have a credit card with their names on it? This is the problem with Social Security too. I don’t really care what you were promised. The world does not work that way and reality bites.

I get it - everyone works for their retirement, but somewhere along the line we got it all wrong and things got a bit crazy. That comes with consequences. Just admit the truth.... you want to enjoy your own comfort until you die because they LIED to you and promised it to you.

Please show me in the constitution where the next few generations should have to pay for your generation or mine? It’s not there. Young Americans and unborn Americans did not vote for these clowns - you and I did. We should reap the consequences, not them.

We are enslaving future generations and it’s immoral, unconstitutional, and frankly the exact opposite of conservatism. Debt can be accrued if the very survival of the nation is at stake because each citizen present and future has an interest in that. Debt should not be accrued to allow our current retirees to live off the fat of their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. Debt should not be accrued to pay a bunch of lazy deadbeats because they doctor shopped a disability diagnosis or made poor life choices. Debt should not be accrued for pet projects, pork, and half the crap the government spends money on.

You are basically saying that the kid who took your job should get far less from his own labor so he can fund what they promised you. How is that moral?


126 posted on 07/19/2013 10:01:56 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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