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How the state of Florida set Zimmerman free (PMSDNC throws BDLR under da bus!)
MSNBC ^ | July 15, 2013 | Seema Iyer

Posted on 07/15/2013 3:44:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Edited on 07/15/2013 3:51:11 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; msnbc; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; racheljeantel; trayvon; trayvonmartin; trialofthecentury; zimmerman
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To: tanknetter

>> It actually gets more and more amusing.

She lost me when she opined that no prosecutor worth his salt would have played Z’s police interview for the jury, leaning instead on his five earlier calls ato the NEN about suspicious characters, and “forcing” Z to testify.

Say what?

If the prosecution hadn’t used the interview tapes, the defense surely would have — selectively. And their “ain’t” no forcing him to testify.

I wonder where in the pseudo-journalism training process she failed to learn to THINK.


21 posted on 07/15/2013 4:16:25 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

What they wanted was an issue to rally the Black vote which was slipping away at the time. They got that. Having Zimmerman be not guilty just keeps the issue around longer, in their minds.


22 posted on 07/15/2013 4:18:38 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes. Let’s blame the state.

Why can these idiots not get a simple concept into their heads?

There never was a case.


23 posted on 07/15/2013 4:19:47 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Nervous Tick; BenLurkin

Additionally, Corey fired her head of forensic IT for revealing her concealment of evidence he recovered from “No Limit’s” cellphone in spite of the discovery order.


24 posted on 07/15/2013 4:19:53 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Lancey Howard

19 years old and a senior in high school. Who graduates HS at 20?


25 posted on 07/15/2013 4:20:09 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The author is an experienced lawyer, but I think her status as a New York liberal is coloring her comments.

True, the evidence was bad for the prosecution, but it's all they had. It's not like they withheld anything that could have convicted.

Had the prosecutors tried the minimalist approach she suggests, there would have been howls from the race posse that they were throwing the case.

26 posted on 07/15/2013 4:20:31 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: BenLurkin

The “Knock, knock” joke was actually very effective, and it worked on many levels. Its main purpose was to erase the effect of the prosecution’s opening statement. It worked.

After the joke, the jurors were like blank pages, as if the prosecution’s emotional opening statement had never happened, and they were ready to take notes on what Don West had to say. And they took notes.

Also, the joke conveyed the idea that the jurors had a lot more to learn about the case, because they really had not heard the abundant evidence that supported the Zimmerman defense.


27 posted on 07/15/2013 4:20:31 PM PDT by manforallseasons
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To: Navy Patriot

I hope firing that guy ends really badly for Corey.


28 posted on 07/15/2013 4:21:45 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

ADL providing cover for a Syrian Arab?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3043244/posts?page=17


29 posted on 07/15/2013 4:23:45 PM PDT by maggief
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To: manforallseasons

I know there were many folks here who had an absolute hissy fit over that joke. Lots of stupid statements like “Z shoudl fire his entire defense team NOW.”

As it turns out, whether or not that opening was a gem, their overall defense strategy was excellent. It’s pretty tough to second-guess any single piece of it since it all worked fine together.


30 posted on 07/15/2013 4:24:28 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: maggief

Yeah, that endorsement was sort of strange.

One thing that still puzzles me about Corey is how that cross she’s always wearing hasn’t burned a hole right through her trachea. What a hypocrite — or worse. There is unmistakable pure evil in her eyes.


31 posted on 07/15/2013 4:26:51 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

His testimony could send her to prison, obstruction of justice.


32 posted on 07/15/2013 4:28:59 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The FL Persecutors office and trial attorney's provided more reasonable doubt for GZ than the defense team ever could.
33 posted on 07/15/2013 4:29:09 PM PDT by JPG (Obama Does Egypt.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Just happenstance...

http://www.questia.com/library/1G1-182880768/arab-americans-work-to-get-out-the-vote-a-nonpartisan

Arab -Americans work to get out the vote A nonpartisan initiative wants the ethnic group to play a bigger role.
Florida Times-Union, The (Jacksonville, FL) - Tuesday, August 12, 2008
Author: DEIRDRE CONNER
You could call them Florida’s silent swing vote. But not for long, organizers hope.

Looking to make the Arab -American vote more visible in the 2008 election, local and national leaders have targeted Florida for efforts to increase political involvement and voter turnout.

Because of that, Jacksonville’s established Arab -American community will be a big focus for Yalla Vote, an initiative from the Washington-based Arab American Institute. The initiative is nonpartisan but does include a broad set of statements, including a call for civil liberties protections and an end to the war in Iraq.

(snip)

In Northeast Florida, prominent Arab -Americans running for office include Angela Corey ...


34 posted on 07/15/2013 4:31:54 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Nervous Tick
If the prosecution hadn’t used the interview tapes, the defense surely would have — selectively. And their “ain’t” no forcing him to testify.

She's an inexperienced, ignorant idiot.

But she's half right (stopped clock, twice a day scenario, I think). The defense was unable to play the Zimmerman walkaround tapes because it would have constituted Zimmerman testifying. Meaning he would have surrendered his 5th Amendment rights and been put on the stand by the prosecution and cross-examined. Think of how that IRS chick inadvertently surrendered her 5th Amendment rights by giving an opening statement saying she did nothing wrong...

The prosecution WAS allowed to play the tapes however. Because they were evidence.

The prosecution had a wonderfully, deliciously difficult choice in the matter. They could play the tapes - essentially allowing Zimmerman to "testify" without subjecting himself to cross ... or they could not play the tapes. And then have the defense aggressively question the police witnesses the prosecution was calling about their existence, what was on them, and whether the prosecution was in possession of them. After which the defense could THEN insinuate - in front of/to the jury, that the prosecution was withholding/suppressing key evidence/information.
35 posted on 07/15/2013 4:32:58 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

>> The defense was unable to play the Zimmerman walkaround tapes because it would have constituted Zimmerman testifying.

I’ve heard that too, and you very well might be right... but if I understand the rules of evidence correctly, there might be a way to work them into ANOTHER defense witnesses’ testimony — for example, defense calls the officer that interviewed Zimmerman.

IANAL and all that.


36 posted on 07/15/2013 4:36:46 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: BunnySlippers

‘Who graduates HS at 20?’

They are called an adult and it is a GED.


37 posted on 07/15/2013 4:36:47 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interesting read, i do not completely disagree with the analysis. My views formed before reading this is:

1. The prosecutor was foolish to enter Zimmerman’s statements into evidence. As the article said, they needed to cross-examine him. Not on trivial inconsistent statements, but rather they needed to cross-examine him on the key issues of self defense.

2. I did not watch the non-cursive reader testify, but one has to wonder about it. For one, I do not think it is that big a deal that she is not good in cursive. I think with texting, e-mail, etc, we may see cursive on the decline as more and more people mainly use printing via key boards. The problem with her as a witness is it was already known that she would lie under oath and yet the prosecution some how did not know or let her say CAC on the stand. I am not sure what the state thought they got from her, but it could not have been worth CAC.

Still the bottom line is when you don’t have a case, whoever you call with information about the case will hurt you.


38 posted on 07/15/2013 4:38:45 PM PDT by JLS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
After to talking to some people who think Zimmerman should have been found guilty, a couple of things have become clear to me.

These people think Zimmerman was hunting Martin (some think with his gun drawn) AFTER he was "TOLD" not to. They have no clue that Zimmerman was attacked WHILE HEADING BACK TO HIS TRUCK after the dispatcher suggested that "...he didn't need to do that" (follow Martin). They think Martin was defending himself against Zimmerman's confrontation, and that it wasn't until Martin got the upper hand that Zimmerman shot him. This is actually what they think happened. That is what needs to be addressed by MOM when making his rounds. That Zimmerman was heading back to his vehicle when he was confronted and attacked by Martin.

39 posted on 07/15/2013 4:39:57 PM PDT by TruthBeforeAll
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To: Delta Dawn

Oh, really? So she’s not going to school at a physical high school campus? Do HSs have an age cut off for attending?


40 posted on 07/15/2013 4:42:30 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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