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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I had to watch because I was waiting to find out how long I have to let a perp beat my ass before I can shoot him. I still don't know even now. I want to do the right thing but no one has explained that yet. If Martin didn't have Skittles, can you shoot him then? There were so many questions I didn't get answers to in my gun carry class. Was Martin supposed to yell out that he was only 17 and unarmed as he was pounding someone's head into concrete?

I know if someone jumped me in the dark, I would assume he was over 18 and armed. That's why you carry a gun in the first place. If Martin was scared as they seem to imply, why didn't he run home in the 4 minutes he had? Why didn't he hang up on his HO and dial 911?

This whole thing is really confusing for me. As it is, I guess until someone gives me some answers I will have to do what I always thought was the right thing and that would be to shoot and ask questions later. If you are beating my ass, I don't think I will wait for brain damage before using the gun I purchased for that reason. It seems to me a lot easier if Martin would have just gone about his business and not confronted Zimmerman. Asking someone you are frightened with "What the "eff" is your problem", is not the way I would start a conversation with someone I was frightened of. If Zimmerman was telling the truth, he wasn't even going to say anything to Martin until the cops came. If Martin just went home, Zimmerman would have been waiting for a cop and Martin would be eating his Skittles in front of the TV at dad's house.

PS. You don't walk around houses under the eves to look in windows just because it's raining. If it's raining going to 7-11, then you can walk in the rain on the sidewalks going home. Sculking around windows under the eves looks bad and will probably draw attention to yourself.

16 posted on 07/14/2013 1:18:07 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

PS. You don’t walk around houses under the eves to look in windows just because it’s raining. If it’s raining going to 7-11, then you can walk in the rain on the sidewalks going home. Sculking around windows under the eves looks bad and will probably draw attention to yourself. ************

Find a photo of the place. The eaves are VERY small. Lots of bushes and privacy fences next to the buildings. (Oh - the buildings are two stories - so those tiny eaves wouldn’t do much good anyway.

No way was Martin by the buildings to “stay out of the rain”.


19 posted on 07/14/2013 1:38:41 AM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: chuckles
I still don't know even now

Did you ever see anything as confusing as the FL jury instructions on manslaughter?

I always thought it would be a tactical error to plead SYG, but GZ almost got hung over the issue of "culpable negligence" and whether or not CCW = "intent".

It turns out that his most straightforward defense was that he had the right to be where he was, and Martin had no right to be banging on his head.

I'm still worried about the general application of SYG (being a common law fan), but in this case it looks like it would have helped GZ.

44 posted on 07/14/2013 6:03:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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