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To: TArcher
Don't know, it was a footnote in one of your links, written between 1530-42 published in 1971 concerning "Wrestles with the Christian's ethical attitude toward governing bodies, those preaching false doctrine and the Jews. In these four treatises, written between 1530 and 1542, we see Luther wrestling with volatile aspects of the Christian’s ethical attitude toward the governing authorities, toward other Christians who appeared to be preaching incorrect doctrines, and toward the Jews." Luther’s Works

If not the first translation to english it is a valid translation as there is no reason to sugar coat his writings as they are widely known.

148 posted on 07/16/2013 8:07:12 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

Author:Martin H. Bertram

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Martin H. Bertram

Works

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Martin_H._Bertram

 

VS:

Published by

CHRISTIAN NATIONALIST CRUSADE

P. O. Box 27895

Los Angeles 27, California

First English translation to be

published in the U . S. A .

Date of Publication: May, 1948

http://www.resist.com/Instauration/OtherPubs-20120723/TheJewsAndTheirLies-Luther.pdf

 

Two very different texts.

The CHRISTIAN NATIONALIST CRUSADE version [which I think maybe just contains excerpts] doesn't seem to have this:

[the unjust God lets such holy people curse (I wanted to say "pray") so vehemently in vain against our Messiah
and all Christians. He does not care to see or have anything to do either with them or with their pious conduct, which is so thickly, thickly, heavily, heavily coated with the blood of the Messiah and his Christians.]
http://www.colchestercollection.com/titles/pdf/O/on-the-jews.pdf  (page 129)

"the unjust God"

"heavily, heavily coated with the blood of the Messiah and his Christians"

Is that Martin Luther's doctrinal opinion of the crucifixion?  

Gee whiz,  it sorta hard to reconcile that imagery from Martin Luther - with the whole "Christ Frees Us"...

... thing they were teaching/selling in Seward back circa 1984.  

No wonder "On the Jews and their lies" isn't referenced anywhere on the LCMS site.

Ooops.  Maybe in this case there's no "best possible construction" to construct.


I think the LCMS owes folks either an explanation, or a tuition refund.


149 posted on 07/16/2013 8:46:31 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: xone

I shall give you my sincere advice:

First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly_and I myself was unaware of it_will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about,blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.

http://www.colchestercollection.com/titles/pdf/O/on-the-jews.pdf 

The above quote is one you'll typically find being associated with the motivation of Mein Kampf. 
Can you find it in the Concordia version I found?  No?  Me neither.  Maybe it's been left out of the copy on the Internet.  Maybe it was never in the LCMS' version.  There is no copy on the LCMS.org site to refer to.

The "Colchester Collection" pdf doesn't specify a publication/translation date. 


Again, the LCMS has the resources, and I think the responsibility, to document the differences between the versions that are available and being quoted ON THE INTERNET.


150 posted on 07/16/2013 9:30:35 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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