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To: Defiant
That's my first alternative in my post: The traitor GOPE view.

That's entirely possible. Right now I think they're actually doing my second alternative, which is killing it slowly with an intelligent method: claiming to be trying to do something while actually killing the bill.

I hope you are wrong, knowing that you could be correct. It's why we need to not give up, but continue to let our voices be heard. I'm in a good conversation with one of my reps aides, there is some reason to be hopeful: Trust but verify (and keep up the pressure) is my position.

48 posted on 07/11/2013 11:43:03 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I steal taglines - KILL THE BILL!)
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To: Lakeshark; Defiant; onyx; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne

Here is my post today to my congressman’s facebook page (tweeted too). He has always opposed Obama, but with immigration sometimes all bets are off:

“The GOP had a big meeting about immigration yesterday. Please tell us what is going on!!!! If you really oppose Obama, oppose what he wants most: a path-to-citizenship for 10s of millions who would vote overwhelmingly Democrat.”


49 posted on 07/11/2013 2:28:34 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Lakeshark
The problem with your "trust but verify" strategy is that you have to place your trust in Boehner. Meanwhile, Boehner and the entire GOPe are invested in getting an amnesty bill passed. I would be happy to trust if the person who was running the House was trustworthy. It all comes back to who is on the conference committee. And it comes back to one other thing: the pressure that will be on the conference members from the House side to make a deal with the Senate. It will be immense. Even pretty good conservatives will be hard pressed not to give in some, and come back to the House with a deal. Meanwhile, the Senate will hold fast to the principle of a pathway to citizenship, and the enforcement provisions will be meaningless.

In those kind of negotiations, you need to be willing to walk away. The GOPe's biggest problem in dealing with Obama these past few years is they refuse to do that, whether it is the budget, the debt ceiling or any other issue. They always think they need to make a deal, and that gives the other side leverage.

So, all things considered, I don't see any way that the House can proceed down this path without it being a disaster. As the computer said in War Games, the only sane choice is not to play.

60 posted on 07/11/2013 2:40:08 PM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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