Posted on 07/09/2013 4:20:45 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
Increasingly frustrated by his dealings with President Hamid Karzai, President Obama is giving serious consideration to speeding up the withdrawal of United States forces from Afghanistan and to a “zero option” that would leave no American troops there after next year, according to American and European officials.
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Exactly. I nominate Jack Hammer to spend the rest of his life in that third world dump.
Please define victory in Afghanistan, and how we achieve it.
Karzai has really screwed himself. His temper tantrums about American ROE’s and his comments about how the US is in cahoots with the Taliban have made him extremely unpopular stateside. This guy probably subscribes to a zillion conspiracy theories about how America presidents are dictators who can do whatever they want, but the reality is that the only way he could have kept GI’s in-country was by keeping the American public on his side. By making Americans hate him, he has made certain that he will face the Taliban without American troops and perhaps without American financial aid. Karzai is yet another example of Dubya’s lamentable personnel choices. Iraq’s Maliki is another one.
Its become a war on we the people who are losing our freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism as we get a steady drip of bodies back from that 3rd world hellhole.
Sad that some think both should continue in perpetuity.
If this is true then why is my daughters friend being deployed in Sept?
I don’t understand how they can think that way.
Our ROE are crap, Afghan people aren’t worth crap, and you’ll never make Afghanistan some type of Westernized country.
Yeah, let’s fight them overseas and leave our borders unprotected. I always though that was sound reasoning.
As opposed to stay and do what? Fight and die for a people who don't want us there? Prop up a corrupt government that doesn't have the support of the populace? We failed to learn from history. Countries have gone into Afghanistan for hundreds of years figuring that they could change it and remake everything for the better, or at least pacify the damned place. And every attempt has been a miserable failure. Ours is just the latest. Time to cut our loses and get out. Sooner rather than later.
That Gay Pride celebration probably didn’t help much— But I can agree with Hagel in his comment it “makes us stronger” especially when we flaunt such crap as a guest in a Muslim
Country -but can’t claim we doin’ it in the name of allah.
Like him or not, Karzai is/was "our" guy, and you have to go deep down into the 2001-2002 memory hole to remember how we ended up with him----Abdul Haq our first choice for Afghan president got himself caught, castrated, and strung up in October 2001.
amen
A lot of those deployments are now being cancelled. A buddy of mine is an officer in a brigade that was slated to go at the same time, and they just got their cancellation orders last week.
Not as long as they subscribe to a 11th century religion and way of life.
Oh I don't disagree with you. We should get out now. Our ROEs guarantee more American deaths. What we should do is leave and kill mass quantities of the Taliban as we go and leave the message that any further problems they cause outside of their own borders, and we will come back and neutron bomb the place - but we won't.
+1. That's why we should stay the hell out of Syria, Egypt, the Middle East. Our leaders have proven themselves incapable of setting ROEs that minimize the danger to our servicemembers.
Let's turn our focus to producing more energy in the US, and let the EU figure out how to secure their oil supply.
A local girl deployed to Afghanistan a couple of years ago. She went as some sort of women’s liaison to remote villages. She had grand visions of the great good she was going to do.
Now that she’s back she says the only way to save Afghanistan is to round up every child under the age of 12 to bring back here and kill everything left. She says we are building some beautiful highways though.
Oh God I pray this happens I pray every night!
Good argument in 2002. Bad argument in 2013.
What's the plan for victory?
PC has nothing to do with it - savages can't become civilized beings in an appropriate time frame at all, PC or no PC.
In an engagement with savages, the choices are victory or surrender. Since our minds seem made up against victory, I suspect we will surrender sooner or later.
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