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At one Army base, a new shade of green
Stars and Stripes ^ | 7/4/2013 | Neela Banerjee

Posted on 07/05/2013 7:53:48 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: markomalley
I had basic training at Ft.Bliss in Aug. 1966. Our rifle range was in New Mexico at White Sands Missle Base. We were packed into "cattle cars" for the almost half hour trip.

As I recall we had to police up our brass at the firing range. I didn't even know they had a golf course. The only grass I saw was at the parade grounds and the only places with air conditioning? I don't remember any and I was there in Aug.

21 posted on 07/05/2013 9:22:43 AM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: The_Reader_David

Agreed, what he spoke of as “conservationism” is what we teach in the Boy Scouts. Yet, he’s being called all sorts of names. So are we doing it “wrong” in Scouting by teaching conservationism? There’s a difference between environmentalism and conservationism.

What many don’t realize, is that like the USAF, there are the infrastructure (BASE) commanders and the combat (WING) commanders assigned to the same installation.

Their responsibilities are quite different. The base commander needs to operate as efficiently as possible and maintain the infrastructure required for the wing commander to be able to perform their job.


22 posted on 07/05/2013 9:37:01 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: The_Reader_David

Yeah, his point about saving energy on a FOB to reduce logistics convoys is a good one. Those were always very soft targets for terrorist raids, so they required a lot of security, which pulled combat troops (sometimes) off patrols.


23 posted on 07/05/2013 9:46:15 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: jpsb
Well looks like I was wrong, hmmm, back in my day (USMC) the base commander was not the commanding officer of the combat units stationed at the base. Guess things have changed, sorry bout the bad info I gave you :(

I only said something, because a military commander could easily be an O-6 or even a field grade officer, but the distinction being a flag officer had to be confirmed. So there is a world of difference between an O-6 and an O-8.

24 posted on 07/05/2013 9:50:23 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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Thousands of brass casings were left on firing ranges.

Every range I’ve ever gone to, we were not allowed to leave until the brass was policed up. And when we turned it in they weighed it and we were only allowed a small percentage of loss. If we were over that we had to go back to the range and find more.


25 posted on 07/05/2013 9:56:46 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: rfreedom4u

Notice how the article avoids mentioning how much the general’s wet dreams cost to implement? Just a typical feel good article that focuses on “benefits” alone. How much did the solar equipment cost to install? To maintain/repair? How “sustainable” is solar power at night? How much labor was required to process the recycled crap?

There’s no free lunch - except in politics and media.


26 posted on 07/05/2013 11:01:20 AM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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“It was criminal,” Pittard said. “A lot of things here were criminal.

So, at first blush, this guy really doesn't endear himself to any thoughtful people with this sort of hyperbole. Criminality simply CANNOT be ascribed to the years-ago connection of landscape watering systems to the potable water supply. MOST places -- to this very day -- DO NOT HAVE ANY non-potable water supply to tap into for landscape water. Yet, this guy is tossing "criminal" about like a beach ball in application to decisions that were made before he was even a twinkle in his Daddy's eye; decisions made with then-current technology and resources in mind.

One cannot go back and criminalize past decisions using present-day metrics, or perhaps the Major General has no grasp of the meaning of "ex post facto"? His language is akin to suggesting that George Washington was incompetent in his military leadership because he failed to take advantage of fully automatic weapons. There's a mental gap, here, and it's large enough to fly Air Force One through it.

NOW...

...RECOGNIZING that bit of insanity as such, there IS something worthwhile being promoted, here: the concept of upgrading existing systems with present-day technology so as to cut waste, and enable better stewardship of available resources is of solid value. It should be obvious that doing so in the context of military base operations MUST NOT have ANY negative impact upon our fighting capabilities, upon force readiness, upon morale, nor any other aspect affecting battlefield performance, but that doesn't mean that there are no resource conservation measures that can be implemented; it only means that there are elevated considerations necessary to doing so in that particular context.

27 posted on 07/05/2013 12:07:14 PM PDT by HKMk23 (ditditdit dahdahdah ditditdit)
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The Navy’s fighter planes have begun to burn biofuel.

At about $300 a gallon, right? Sure, less fossil fuel is used but at what cost?

28 posted on 07/05/2013 12:33:41 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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