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Day 17 (Week #4) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 2, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 07/02/2013 5:16:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, July 2nd, is DAY #17 (of 4th week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.

Today Detective Chris Serino will be back on the stand. [Yesterday ended] on the stand with Chris Serino, who was the lead investigator for the Sanford Police Department on the Trayyvon Martin shooting.

Defense counsel Mark O’Mara led cross-examination with his usual consummate skill, obtaining responses from this witness–remember, the State’s witness–that all but completely guts the State’s charge in this case.

Among the key revelations so far: Zimmerman was always completely cooperative, open, and straightforward with all the police investigators over many weeks of multiple interviews, both in person at the police station and phone. The sense given is that Zimmerman demonstrated endless patience. (continue reading summary)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; martin; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Starstruck

No, it was more a question.


1,621 posted on 07/02/2013 3:55:53 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Toespi

>> Prosecution is using a very narrow window of forensic evidence.

I’m guessing the forensic evidence goes against them, big time.


1,622 posted on 07/02/2013 3:56:30 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: House Atreides

Ok, thanks. Thought it might be something like that. It would be nice if they can nail him and DeeDee, but it will be hard to do.


1,623 posted on 07/02/2013 3:57:44 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: Hulka

You forget the Terry Schiavo threads. Talk about nasty.


1,624 posted on 07/02/2013 3:57:54 PM PDT by tioga
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
Why are they deposing Crumb?

The sine qua non of this whole circus is an edited recording of interview in which Benjamin Crump asked Witness 8 (RJ) to tell him how she was on the phone with Trayvon when she overheard some of the interactions between TM and GZ. Without that, this whole circus would have been avoided.

No complete unedited recording of the entire interview is known to exist, but portions of the interview which Crump omitted from his edited version show that he was trying to coach the witness in an effort to make her believe that GZ confronted TM without justification. His level of manipulation may likely rise to such a level that her beliefs about what happened may have been shaped more by BC's coaching than by anything that actually happened.

I suspect GZ's lawyers are interested in Crump's deposition not so much because it will help them get an acquittal in this case, but because they want to force him to put his version of the W8 interview on record before he has a chance to adjust it based on W8's testimony. BC has consistently committed libel against GZ, and even if he is able to claim that GZ is a "public figure" [notwithstanding the fact that GZ wouldn't be a public figure had not BC made him one], his conduct goes far beyond the level of malice necessary to demonstrate libel.

1,625 posted on 07/02/2013 3:58:07 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: jacquej

Thank you.

Can’t recall us dueling but I hope I was not too out of line. Getting old really helps put things in perspective.


1,626 posted on 07/02/2013 3:59:25 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: UCANSEE2; All

Thanks to those who showed link.


1,627 posted on 07/02/2013 4:00:46 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: spacejunkie2001

This is self defense and not SYG. Are you familiar with that? Dis GZ do anything in opposition to what you learned?


1,628 posted on 07/02/2013 4:01:49 PM PDT by Starstruck (Thank a gun owner for your freedom.)
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To: Hulka

Back in the early years of our republic, dueling was an accepted way of settling insults to one’s “sacred honor”.

Perhaps it should be revisited? (jk!)


1,629 posted on 07/02/2013 4:02:21 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: supercat
Fascinating comment.

The matter of Crump and his involvement with Jeantel was discussed before I was able to spend time on the case (though I have been able to follow most of it on live stream since Jeantel gave her testimony).

Your post helps tremendously.

1,630 posted on 07/02/2013 4:04:58 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: jacquej
My state, GA, was the last to outlaw dueling. And I too like the concept as a gentleman's (and perhaps gentlewoman's) way of solving problems of honor.

Of course, I am a very good shot.;-)

Wish you wouldn't leave...this is just about to get very interesting.

1,631 posted on 07/02/2013 4:08:28 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: RoosterRedux

I’m afraid the unemployed would have all day to practice dueling with their video games while everyone would be at a great disadvantage.


1,632 posted on 07/02/2013 4:11:06 PM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: jacquej

At the beginning of the 20 ccentury it was considered murder. Also before that it was but other than sometimes paying a fine proseecution was neligible.
Aaron Burr was indited for his duel with Hamilton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel


1,633 posted on 07/02/2013 4:11:10 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: Starstruck

Not that I’ve heard. I believe with SYG there should have been a hearing on these grounds and they waived it.

SYG allows you to shoot to kill if you are in fear for your life. You are not allowed to brandish the weapon as threat or to shoot to harm; only to kill.


1,634 posted on 07/02/2013 4:12:07 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: House Atreides
Speaking of Knockout King...I thought that was what Trayvon had in mind until GZ turned around and saw him at the sidewalk T.

Big City ASBO (Miami) shows hick town cop wanna be how things work.

1,635 posted on 07/02/2013 4:12:19 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: supercat

If the Crump depo is that damaging, the “judge” is going to look like even more of a tool for refusing the Defense request to continue the trial. But, heck, she’s already demonstrably in the tank....


1,636 posted on 07/02/2013 4:13:55 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: RoosterRedux
And I too like the concept as a gentleman's (and perhaps gentlewoman's) way of solving problems of honor.

A problem with dueling is that it allows people who can shoot well to attack those who cannot with relative impunity. They can be assured their victim is not apt to challenge them unless suicidal, and even then is not apt to injure them; they can be further assured that the victim is not apt to attempt any sort of reprisal which would justify a challenge by the skillful shooter.

Still, even those who would regard voluntarily-entered fisticuffs to be a modern alternative to the "duel" would recognize that a sucker punch is not. There is no evidence that TM attempted to enter into voluntarily fisticuffs with GZ, and there is considerable evidence that even if GZ voluntarily entered into conflict, his involvement would have ceased to be voluntary long before he shot TM.

1,637 posted on 07/02/2013 4:14:54 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: MNDude
Not to sound Victorian, but we gentlemen (you and I) don't duel with punks. They, having no claim to honor, cannot insult ours.

Like GZ, when they assault us, we shoot them.

1,638 posted on 07/02/2013 4:15:14 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: Cyber Liberty
If the Crump depo is that damaging, the “judge” is going to look like even more of a tool for refusing the Defense request to continue the trial.

Those who are paying attention already recognize that Judge Nelson has no interest in following the rules. Those who are not paying attention will never find out about Crump, since American Pravda will endeavor to spin anything he says so as to prove that Zimmerman is guilty.

1,639 posted on 07/02/2013 4:17:49 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: Hulka
Been saying exactly that, probably not so eloquently, for years.

Profanity: How small minds try to speak with strength?

But, it's not just bad language that bothers me. There's too much emotional blather and hyperbolic rhetoric.

It could be so much better.

1,640 posted on 07/02/2013 4:18:27 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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