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To: ansel12
Ansell, show proof of that. Give some specific examples of how:

As 50 years of history proves to us, libertarianism actually results in more and bigger government.

Ask me, and I will cite hard cold proof of how the opposite of "libertarian" -- that is, "somebody who believes in the principle that people should have complete freedom of thought and action" (which, by the way, is the state that God Himself bequeathed us, along with His greatest gift, Jesus).

Ansell, my FRiend, I can cite more than one poignanty example of how the opposite of "libertarian" has increased sloth, envy, promiscuity, divorce, moral decline, not to mention jobs, prosperity, and employment.

When you FORGET libertarian principle, you have a government that has taken it upon itself to be the dispenser of moral justice and responsiblity such as charity and compassion. In government's hands, those HAVE been used, with the fruits of OUR labor, to propagate all kinds of moral malaise and furthermore, to LEGALLY HALT any actions in our communities to stop them.

Thomas Sowell is a libertarian. Rethink your take.

63 posted on 07/01/2013 5:53:19 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

This agenda breeds liberal voters, not conservative voters and we have 50 years of social, moral, and cultural decay to prove it.

Here is the leftists agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.

Libertarian Party Platform:

Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”, eliminate the Border Patrol and INS.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments full 9 months.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science and marketers can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


66 posted on 07/01/2013 6:04:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: Finny
Ansell, show proof of that. Give some specific examples of how

Many people who call themselves libertarians subscribe to some views which are, in fact, contrary to what libertarians should stand for because they've fallen for leftist equivocation.

For example, a proper libertarian would recognize that it is important for government to act as a registry for certain things. Many people, businesses, and institutions want to voluntarily provide benefits to people who are in a kind of relationship which has, since time immemorial, been recognized as so significant as to justify its own word: "marriage". Many such people, businesses, and institutions do not wish to provide such benefits for people who are in different kinds of relationships, and a libertarian should recognize their right not to do so. Unfortunately, libertarians fail to realize that

  1. Having the government define the standards by which such relationships are proven is useful to those who wish to provide benefits to people in them, since without such standards answering what should be a simple question: "Marital status (Single/Married/Separated)" ends up being incredibly complicated [separated, meaning not married, but not presently eligible for remarriage]
  2. The goal of the "gay marriage" movement is to deny people, institutions, and businesses the right to provide benefits to people who are married (in the sense the word has always meant) without providing those benefits to couples with other kinds of relationships. That goal is completely contrary to everything libertarians are supposed to stand for, but many libertarians are blind to it.
I really wish conservatives could have focused on the secular reasons to oppose "gay marriage", and exposed its anti-libertarian goals. Perhaps people will wake up and the backlash will put things back as they should be, but I'm not terribly confident.
69 posted on 07/01/2013 6:10:00 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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