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To: wideawake
>>It should come as no surprise that the NSA continues to collect data.<<

It sounds as though your saying, “Yawn, the governments gonna collect what they collect, gonna snoop...get over it.”

There are two totally separate issues here, connected to be sure.

First, did Snowden commit treason or was his actions constitutional provided the government violated the constitution?

Second, if the government setup a secret shadow government to spy and collect data on law abiding citizens from tweets to financial records w/o probable cause...are they violating the constitution and denying Americans their liberties guaranteed under the constitution?

I submit to you that if the government is indeed violating the constitution and Snowden witnessed multiple violations, this would make him a whistleblower, not a traitor.

If Snowden traveled out of the country and gave classified intelligence to a foreign country, this would be a treasonous act.

For me, it all comes down to the ol cliche, well Uncle Sugar, if you didn't do anything wrong, what’cha got to hide? They do it to us, so what's good for the goose...

227 posted on 07/02/2013 5:29:18 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777
It's very simple: Snowden gave US military secrets to foreign powers. He is traitor.

He is trying to cloud the issue by pointing out the NSA's domestic surveillance capabilities - capabilities which have been known for quite some time.

The facts remain: there are legal ways to gather personal information about people (in fact it is a multibillion dollar business) and the NSA can gather quite a bit of information using completely legal means. Self-appointed 4th Amendment experts wish this were not so, but it is the case.

230 posted on 07/02/2013 6:04:34 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: servantboy777; wideawake; All
If the government setup a secret shadow government to spy and collect data on law abiding citizens from tweets to financial records w/o probable cause...are they violating the constitution and denying Americans their liberties guaranteed under the constitution?

I submit to you that if the government is indeed violating the constitution and Snowden witnessed multiple violations, this would make him a whistleblower, not a traitor.

BINGO.

More than that, the Kenyan and his Texan "predecessor", AND several past and present members of Congress are and have been complicit and guilty of treason, violating the US Constitution at will, AND violating their respective oath of office.

THIS IS THE CRUX AND IRREFUTABLE TRUTH OF THE MATTER.

Q: When do We The People get to redress these violations and how?

234 posted on 07/02/2013 8:02:02 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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