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Why It's Unlikely Someone Killed Michael Hastings By Hacking His Car
Jalopnik ^ | 6/25/13 | Patrick George

Posted on 06/27/2013 1:02:15 AM PDT by Impala64ssa

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To: Impala64ssa

He was brietbarted


21 posted on 06/27/2013 2:44:39 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: Impala64ssa

Likely or unlikely, I’m betting post it notes are making a comeback in newsrooms across America.


22 posted on 06/27/2013 2:54:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Impala64ssa

If that article was meant to debunk the conspiracy theory the author did an extremely poor job of presenting any info to support his case.


23 posted on 06/27/2013 2:54:15 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Impala64ssa

It’s certainly possible that the car was hacked, but I don’t think it was done wirelessly without prior preparation.

If someone got access to the car for a time, maybe only a few minutes, relatively simple wirelessly controllable devices could be installed that would override the driver’s control of the throttle and possibly also the electric power steering assist.

These are “drive by wire” cars in which the physical throttle is operated by an electric motor.

This would be enough to create an accident situation, and to set off the bomb that they also installed.


24 posted on 06/27/2013 3:01:14 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Wingy
Why shouldn't we believe he's right, that it's hard to hack into a car.

Oh wait, OnStar says it can stop a car from being stolen by gradually slowing it down until it stops.

Should we believe the converse can't be done?

25 posted on 06/27/2013 3:03:05 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: Impala64ssa

You can have a car equipped with onstar shut off on command by police (they advertise such for anti theft ). What else can one control?


26 posted on 06/27/2013 3:03:22 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Fresh Wind
"If someone got access to the car for a time, maybe only a few minutes, relatively simple wirelessly controllable devices could be installed that would override the driver’s control of the throttle and possibly also the electric power steering assist."

Actually it's quite easier than that.
Just drop in a re-programed CPU which would be instructed to go full throttle after the car reaches, say 50 mph indicating that it is on a highway.
And from my understanding you can also disable the transmission from changing gears.

27 posted on 06/27/2013 3:12:48 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: Impala64ssa

Alcohol, drugs or falling asleep at the wheel. None of those are plausible for a 4am crash at all.


28 posted on 06/27/2013 3:16:51 AM PDT by pas
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To: Vaquero

I’ve read that it’s very rare for an accident, even one involving high speeds, to result in the type of intense fire that this one did.

Whatever was done to control the car, there was something else involved. A bomb is the most likely. A drone strike is also possible.

They wanted the make sure the driver was killed in a plausible way, and any physical evidence destroyed. A simple car crash might not have done that.


29 posted on 06/27/2013 3:19:13 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Impala64ssa
I have an innate distrust for politicians, in general, and the Obama gang, in particular. I believe that they would do absolutely ANYTHING to protect 'the One' and enable successful dismantling of our country and her institutions.

That stated, although I know none of the specifics of automotive computing systems, their instruction sets and 'operating systems' that may be employed to operate them, my opinion is that hacking into one for the purpose of creating a remote-controlled death car is preposterous. And damned-near impossible.

This is stuff for people who believe everything they see in action-adventure movies, CSI, McGuyver and Monk -- entertaining, but riddled with patently preposterous miracle technology that stretches the capabilities of existing equipment into the absurd. Computers can be built and programmed to do just about anything. But the key word is 'built'. You don't just decide that you're going to 'hack' a specific-purpose industrial computer into a perpetual motion machine or use it to spin straw into gold.

30 posted on 06/27/2013 3:21:31 AM PDT by DJ Frisat ((optional, printed after my name on post))
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To: Impala64ssa
"...Photos show car resting against the tree, not plowed through it..."

"Plowing-through" a utility pole saved a 260Z driver from dying in my front yard.

31 posted on 06/27/2013 3:26:28 AM PDT by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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To: Does so

Was he being chased?


32 posted on 06/27/2013 3:27:03 AM PDT by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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To: Fresh Wind

The car was seen speeding into a tree, I believe. A bomb or missile strike would have been after the high speed crash into the tree.


33 posted on 06/27/2013 3:29:12 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Does so

Supposedly, witnesses that saw him running red lights said there was no one chasing him.

Maybe they didn’t think to look up.


34 posted on 06/27/2013 3:29:29 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Impala64ssa
Here's the FR article where Clarke says it's possible the car's computer was hacked. Interesting.
35 posted on 06/27/2013 3:35:37 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Impala64ssa

That’s a useless story—nobody has suggested that some 14yo in Indonesia did him in.


36 posted on 06/27/2013 3:44:58 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Fresh Wind

I agree. In years past I was a nationally licensed race track safety worker (flagging and communications) as well as being a certified first responder and firefighter.

I observed MANY high-speed wrecks in a class called Showroom Stock, aptly named as well as in the Improved Touring class. Fiery violent wrecks are memorable and I have no recollection of any fires like this one. Sure we had fires from resulting oil and fuel leaks, but NEVER like this. There were wrecks that had the motor flying out of the chassis, T-bones that were horrendously injuring, but none ‘exploded’ into flames.

You only get this sort of fire when the fuel tank is ruptured, NOT just leaking from a ruptured fuel LINE. It takes a lot of fuel to make a class B/A fire like his.


37 posted on 06/27/2013 4:02:00 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

Unless he somehow spun the car and went into the tree tail first, a ruptured tank is highly unlikely.

We had a horrendous crash in my area where a street racer rear ended a much slower car, destroyed the car, and killed a little girl, but there was no fire at all.

He will be spending quite a few richly deserved years in jail, by the way.


38 posted on 06/27/2013 4:19:19 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Falcon4.0
Just drop in a re-programed CPU

The car computer is not usually EASILY ACCESSIBLE. If the car was in the shop, one COULD replace the entire computer BOX, but not the individual CPU chip.

HOWEVER, IF one could gain access to the interior of the car without setting off the alarms, all one has to do is drop in the proper CD into the CD player.

39 posted on 06/27/2013 4:37:35 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: 9YearLurker

Not completely useless. This was the first I learned of the incident. This article was such an obvious attempt to cover something up, I had to read further. I’m probably not the only one who was introduced to this hot mess by this dishonest article. So you see, it wasn’t completely useless.


40 posted on 06/27/2013 4:47:20 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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