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To: Orangedog

No that is not what I meant. I too am all about leaving one to one’s own devices (when it does not affect others). I have several libertarian acquaintances and I cannot seem to pin them down on any position. One example that I know here causes much debate is the WOD. They are all about ending it but cannot give viable alternatives to unfettered access/supply. I don’t want to debate that here and now since it is a no-win, but they don’t have any tangible solution other than to say “end it”. I don’t see that as a complete answer.


31 posted on 06/24/2013 1:11:41 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative
No that is not what I meant. I too am all about leaving one to one’s own devices (when it does not affect others). I have several libertarian acquaintances and I cannot seem to pin them down on any position. One example that I know here causes much debate is the WOD. They are all about ending it but cannot give viable alternatives to unfettered access/supply.

There's the problem: you seem unwilling to accept unfettered access/supply as a consequent. But let me ask this: how much government intrusion would be acceptable? Isn't it true that the abuses we suffer today are because of the mission creep of the War on Drugs? — Why not simply leave the government out of regulation there altogether? It's not as if an employer cannot have drug-use as a grounds for termination. (Moreover, the War on Drugs feeds into the horrid idea that the Federal government is superior to the States, a mentality which is at odds with the 9 & 10th amendments. )

I don’t want to debate that here and now since it is a no-win, but they don’t have any tangible solution other than to say “end it”. I don’t see that as a complete answer.

What about the Federal Reserve? People would make all sorts of similar arguments "what will we replace it with?" ... but overlook the fact that it just didn't exist a century ago, just as the War on Drugs.

37 posted on 06/24/2013 2:23:03 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
My position on drugs is and has been: I want to see Walmart and Target competing to deliver the highest quality meth and crack for the lowest price. No government funded rehab, no government paid hospitals for people who overdose. The problem will burn itself out rather quickly. That's what happened a century ago until we turned the country over to the soccer moms of that time. Every generation or so there would be a short cultural episode of addiction. The addicts having perfectly legal access to all the drugs they could afford would either kick the habit or kill themselves. Easy peasy.

And with regard to the rampaging hordes robbing and burgling to support their habits, we have these marvelous inventions called firearms. Kills thugs dead. Druggie kicks in your front door...you turn the wall he's standing behind into an expressionist painting. Put a frame on the wall, paint around it and pass it off as art. You can tell your friends and neighbors when they come to visit "I call this one 'Breaking and Entering.'"

See how easy that is? Druggies get drugs, people who hate druggies get lots and lots of dead druggies, and one massive arm of the police state goes away. Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

44 posted on 06/24/2013 4:15:16 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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