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To: donmeaker
I am impressed. You, sir, have read some history and have for the most part accurately related some important facts about John Brown. (There is, however, evidence that Brown could not have actually learned about the attack on Sumner as early as you suggest, but that's nitpicking.)

You ignore the influence of Frederick Douglass. They lived together for a time. Just before Harpers Ferry, Douglass came down to Maryland to visit with Brown and to discuss the raid. Douglass got scared and refused to go with Brown on the actual raid.

Almost exactly 110 years later, Charles Manson adopted the Douglass strategy of not actually showing up for the killing-spree he inspired and then claiming innocence. Manson got the idea from Douglass.

298 posted on 06/24/2013 7:30:13 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

Don’t think Douglass invented it.

King David had one of his generals hung out to dry, so he could marry the guys wife. I am sure David had an alibi too.

I figure Douglass was not as impressed as Brown was with Brown’s miltiary prowess. Amateurs often get out of balance that way. Brown was a smart guy, and perhaps the US expert at that time on raising sheep. As such he traveled a lot to west and south. His intent was to free some slaves, arm them with weapons from harper’s ferry, and defend the land the slaves occupied against local slave patrols. Brown was partially right: a smaller force in a good defensive position had little to fear from a much larger number of infantry. He was also greatly wrong: The slaves were so debased that the great risk of taking up arms was not to be relied on, and his first killing at Harper’s Gerry was a freedman. He also didn’t count on the early participation of a force of Marines put at the disposal of RE Lee and JEB Stuart.

Oddly, he was found guilty of treason against Virgina, a state to which he never had any legal affiliation, for his acts on federal property.

His father was Owen Brown who founded 2 (!) colleges (Western Reserve and Oberlin). I understand he was related to the Rhode Island Browns that had gotten rich as privateers, and richer yet as slave traders. Brown University was founded by that family. A rift within the family caused some to support slavery that made them rich, and others that opposed it because it was evil. John and Owen Brown were the latter. John had a farm in North Elba, Essex county NY (far far upstate), and free Negroes were employed there. I went to high school in Essex county, but my elementary school was Sumner School in Syracuse: named after the Senator, so John Brown and Senator Sumner are almost family history.

My grandmother used to sit on the lap of Harriet Tubman, a local celebrity in Auburn NY who would tell of her trips south to free slaves or to guide US forces during the war. It really is just a few years ago.


302 posted on 06/24/2013 7:49:18 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Tau Food

Of course Douglass is not to be tarred with Manson’s brush just because you say so.

Douglass had a great regret in life: That his owner/father was compensated so that Douglass should be legally free.


303 posted on 06/24/2013 7:51:29 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Tau Food

Telegraph was in service as far as Lawrence Kansas. The assault on Sumner while another pro slavery ‘gentleman’ held senators at the point of a gun was big news at the time.


304 posted on 06/24/2013 7:53:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Tau Food

I will also point out that Owen Brown, John’s father was opposed to slavery before Douglass became promenent.

But you hold that Douglass, a one time roommate had more influence on John Brown than his own father. You wouldn’t make that up would you?


307 posted on 06/24/2013 8:05:32 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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