Posted on 06/20/2013 8:03:26 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
B-51 is retired, not married and doesn't have kids. She has lived in Seminole County for nine years. She has worked in real estate and run a call center where she said she had experience resolving conflicts. When asked if Zimmerman did something wrong by following Martin instead of waiting for police, she said: "Yeah, I guess he did do something wrong."
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B-29 recently moved to central Florida from Chicago. She enjoys watching the "Real Housewives" on television and works as a nurse on an Alzheimer's section of a nursing home. She said she hadn't paid much attention to the shooting. She said she has been arrested, but her case was disposed of. It's not clear why she was arrested or exactly what happened to her case, though she said she was treated fairly. She is married and has several children. A prosecutor described her as "black or Hispanic" during jury selection.
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A black jury will probably be more susceptible than a white jury to the argument that racism often motivates white police to frame black defendants. It is the prosecution's job to neutralize that set of beliefs in black jurors. Bugliosi describes how Clark and Darden failed to do that. They barely tried, which effectively conceded the issue to the defense. Pathetic.
Bugliosi presents the argument that he would have made to the jury to counter what he calls the "police-frame up theory" (on pages 260-262 of the hardcover edition.) Here's part of it:
“Now, don’t you think that if this fellow Fuhrman were the type who liked to frame black people for crimes they didn’t commit, there would have been a considerable number of black people framed by him through the years? And that all or at least most of these people would have immediately gotten on the phone and called Mr. Cochran or some other member of the defense team, and you would have heard them testify from that witness stand at this trial? There certainly cannot be even one of you who doubts this. You have to absolutely know this would’ve happened. Particularly in a big case like this where coming forward would make them a hero to many in the black community, and they’d be able to sell their stories for a lot of money. If Furhman had been the framing cop the defense wants you to believe, there would have been a virtual parade of black people he had framed through the years taking that witness stand at this trial. Yet not one, not even one such black person ever came forward."Clear and convincing, but the jury never heard that or anything like it.
While we are on the general subject of black jurors and black defendants, it might be worth mentioning that Kermit Gosnell was just convicted by a jury that included blacks. The defense played the race card, and it lost.
It was a B-19.
Thanks. I hope that will be good enough.
You posted a photo of a B-17. And what you saw was more likely to be a B-17 than a B-19
Only one XB-19 was ever built and it was scrapped in 1949.
What? My B-29 disappeared? Wasn’t that a Twilight Zone episode? Try refreshing the page. It may just have come out of that cloud bank from the other side. ;-)
I agree. I was not working at the time and watched much of the trial...I kept yelling at Marcia Clark because she was not proving her case...and she droned on and on about DNA; but could not explain it for her jury- she spoke more like a boring college professor. I was not impressed with her as an attorney and at one time I observed quite a few trials. I was comparing her with real attorneys not Hollywood attorneys. Darden was worse than Clark and Ito was acting the part of a TV judge, as if he was auditioning.
Before the verdict I told my husband that if the parts I didn’t see were anything like what I did see and I was on the jury it would be easy to acquit if you follow the “state must prove its case” theory as opposed to the “I think he is guilty” form of reaching a verdict. Everyone I knew that watched little/none of the trial were shocked at the verdict, those that did watch the trial were not surprised.
In the Zimmerman case I hope the jury does not use the "vote guilty to avoid the post-trial lynch mob if I acquit" theory.
That’s because black women stand by their men. Marcia Clark thought that by picking black females she’d get a win due to the domestic violence issue. Juror consultants who the state had hired told her she was wrong and that black females would be way more sympathic toward OJ than even black men would.
The prosecution doesn’t have to worry in this case though. White females sold out a long time ago.
I do think a few of the females on this panel look pro defense but we’ll see.
I either watched or read the transcript of the entire OJ trial. I’d frequently look at the LA Times coverage and wonder whether they were at some other trial. Quite a few parallels when it comes to the media’s version vs the actual evidence. If things go as I hope, I think you’ll see something similar here, the MSNBC viewers are going to be shocked, those who watch the trial won’t be.
Did you see Crump’s statement tonight? He’s already planting the seeds.
Always wondered what happened to the old bird...
The stupid prosecution in the OJ trial used feminist theory to pick their jury. They thought women would provide solidarity with Nicole against an abusing husband. What they got were black women, who thought the white b*tch got what she deserved for stealing a black man.
Now that the jury's been picked the prosecution will,at every opportunity,hammer the "what a poor young,innocent child Trayvon was" BS.They'll do it before the trial starts and during it...both inside the courtroom and in the media.The order has come to Florida from the United States Attorney Corporal himself...."get this cold blooded racist murderer 20 years or *I* will get him life".
With a judge that makes Lance Ito look like John Marshall....this was the best Zimm attorneys would get
An all women jury will help Zimm as the trial goes on. Females will not like the Tobias Funke looking prosecutor. Also...the facts of the case are just so not favorable to the Lynch Mob Scheme Team...
“Juror consultants who the state had hired told her she was wrong...”
Yes, I read a long “post mortem” in the New Yorker and it really focused on that. Clark had done very well before Juries before (remember she prosecuted that nut who killed that young actress who was on “My Sister Same”, something like that) and she just wouldn’t accept that this case was going to be different.
But I also have a question, can anyone explain to me why there is only a six member jury for this serious murder trial? Why not 12?
I would go a step further and say that 100% of the women on the OJ jusry were women.
I hear you, that is possible for sure.
If he is found innocent - or perhaps even more if he is found guilty - NBC is going to owe him enough money to put him and his family on easy street. Because they put racist words in his mouth the way they edited the tape before they broadcast it, and that was a precursor to - arguably, was intended to cause - his trial. Actually, the whole of journalism - which can be named as “the Associated Press and each of its members individually” - committed a tort in the way theyhandledpromoted this scandal/trial. The differences between this and the Nifonging of the lacrosse team are de minimus. When a crime is reported on TV/radio, the reporters always speak of “the suspect” to avoid making the claim that the defendant is guilty. I laugh at them when they report a crime committed by persons unknown - and they say “the suspect” did this or that, when the police don’t even have a suspect. But in this case the term “suspect” never crosses their lips. Yesterday I noticed (involuntarily, in the sense that I was with someone who watched the TV news) that he was being tried “for the murder of Treyvon Martin.” Well, guess what! The whole kerfuffle is about whether or not Treyvon Martin was “murdered.” There never was any question about who shot Treyvon Martin. I hope the journalists are sued for their very socks.
Of course it did. No offense, but based on your own statement, it's clear you haven't a clue here. When the case went to downtown LA instead of Santa Monica, it was all but over...The fat lady was singing..
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Willliam Hodgman -- One of the lead prosecutors:
The playing of the "race card" was something that occurred very early on in the case, and you could feel it. You could feel that dynamic even during the course of jury selection.
If it were up to me, if I were the elected D.A. or had that sort of horsepower, I would have filed the case in Santa Monica. Now, interestingly, since the O.J. case, that is precisely what is done. The cases are filed in the appropriate venue, and it's something the courts now recognize and insist upon.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/oj/interviews/hodgman.html
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