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To: EternalVigilance; BlackElk

““Chip away at Roe”? What does that even mean? Roe is a forty year old immoral, unconstitutional (Republican) court opinion in a particular case. Ignore it, just like you ignore Dred Scott. It is a nullity. It is void.”


“Ignoring” Scott v. Sanford didn’t do a damn thing except keep slavery legal in every state that wanted it and even in the territories. We had to fight a war for slavery to end, and even after that we had to pass the 13th and 14th Amendments to overturn Scott v. Sanford.

The incrementalist strategy would work to end abortion, if we actually tried to pass laws that will be upheld by the courts and set new precedents on which we can build. Having SCOTUS rule that the “right to abortion” (sic) does not prohibit the government from banning abortion without an exception for the “health of the mother” would be a HUGE accomplishment that would be the beginning of the end for Roe v. Wade. SCOTUS inched towards that when it upheld the federal ban Partial-Birth Abortion Ban, but in that case the Court based its decision partly on the legislative finding that that particular procedure it made no difference to the health of the mother whether the baby was delivered alive or killed during delivery; this would be a clear precedent that the state interest in protecting human life outweighs the woman’s “right” to claim that she wants to abort to protect her “health.”


79 posted on 06/19/2013 7:40:45 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Legislators and executives swear to support the Constitution, not the opinions of judges. Until they start doing that, abortion on demand will not be stopped.

The Court has delegitimized itself. To obey them is to assent to the destruction of the Union and our form of government.


80 posted on 06/19/2013 8:11:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: AuH2ORepublican; BlackElk
The incrementalist strategy would work to end abortion, if we actually tried to pass laws that will be upheld by the courts and set new precedents on which we can build. Having SCOTUS rule that the “right to abortion” (sic) does not prohibit the government from banning abortion without an exception for the “health of the mother” would be a HUGE accomplishment that would be the beginning of the end for Roe v. Wade. SCOTUS inched towards that when it upheld the federal ban Partial-Birth Abortion Ban, but in that case the Court based its decision partly on the legislative finding that that particular procedure it made no difference to the health of the mother whether the baby was delivered alive or killed during delivery; this would be a clear precedent that the state interest in protecting human life outweighs the woman’s “right” to claim that she wants to abort to protect her “health.”

That law saved no children, and led to the spectacle of the Supreme Court sitting around arguing over the appropriate, "legal" way to butcher babies. Which has only led to Gosnell. Meh.

We should have all awakened fully to the scam in 1992 when the Court decided Planned Parenthood v. Casey. William Brennan and Thurgood Marshall were gone, replaced by Republicans. In fact, eight of the nine justices were Republican appointees, and at that point the only Democrat appointee on the Court was Byron White, who had voted AGAINST Roe v. Wade. The case concerned a Pennsylvania law that regulated abortion, exactly along the lines you support. Why, pray tell, was Roe v. Wade not "overturned"? Why is the mass murder continuing lo these two decades later, if your "incrementalist" "strategy" is so great?

90 posted on 06/19/2013 9:58:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: AuH2ORepublican

SCOTUS “inched” towards the beginning of the end of Roe v. Wade by upholding the federal Partial Birth Abortion Ban???? SCOTUS did no such thing! The majority decision was more like a “how to” manual on approved methods for late term abortions. The decision will cause no babies to be saved. Go back and read the decision, and maybe you will see why there are many pro-life organizations and individuals who do not see that SCOTUS decision as cause for rejoicing.


113 posted on 06/19/2013 9:42:32 PM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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