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To: EternalVigilance; BlackElk

Yeah, blocking progress to end abortion sure is working like a charm. Babies can be aborted until right before birth, but you’re too “pure” to support a bill that at least bans abortion after 20 weeks, because in your imaginary world you are saving babies’ lives. Well, guess what, you are doing the abortionists’ dirty work by being so stubborn.

Our ultimate goal is a constitutional amendment declaring, in words that even liberals can understand, that human life begins at conception, as do protections afforded to “persons” under the Constitution. (Yes, our ultimate goal needs to be a constitutional amendment, because citing of constitutional provisions that (I agree) should be understood to prohibit abortion has been totally ineffectual at convincing courts on the subject.) But we don’t have 2/3 of each house of Congress who woul;d be willing to support such a constitutional amendment—not even close. *Of course* we need to keep fighting to achieve that, but trying to derail any effort to chip away at abortion does not help us achieve our ultimate goal, and all it does is permit the murder of hundreds of thousands of babies who otherwise would have been saved (and whose birth likely would have converted their mothers and other loved ones to the pro-life cause).

Or are you suggesting that it would be *good* to increase the number of unborn children who are murdered in a naked attempt to showcase the barbarity of abortion? Those babies are just eggs that you need to break for your omelet? What gives you the right to sacrifice innocent human lives for the greater good? Did the 0.03% of the vote that you got in the 2012 presidential election give you a mandate to overrule millions of pro-life Americans and to sentence to death unborn children who were conceived more than 20 weeks ago?

You’re like a spoiled brat who wants someone to take him from Boston to San Diego so he refuses rides from people willing to take him to St. Louis. Don’t be so stubborn: hitch the ride to St. Louis, and it will be easier to find transport to San Diego from there.


78 posted on 06/19/2013 7:30:42 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Gosh, so many fallacies, so little time.

Yeah, blocking progress to end abortion sure is working like a charm.

I'm not blocking progress to end abortion. I'm opposing illegitimate, immoral, unconstitutional, lawless lawmaking that is absolutely guaranteed to prolong the practice of abortion in this country, because it surrenders the only moral, constitutional, and legal argument against abortion. "Laws" that codify "legal" permission to kill every child, as long as you do it by the calendar.

81 posted on 06/19/2013 8:14:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: AuH2ORepublican
are you suggesting that it would be *good* to increase the number of unborn children who are murdered in a naked attempt to showcase the barbarity of abortion? Those babies are just eggs that you need to break for your omelet?

No. Don't be dishonest. You know very well that I've never said anything so barbaric.

What gives you the right to sacrifice innocent human lives for the greater good??

I'm not sacrificing anyone. I'm simply advocating that we follow God's command, and the explicit, imperative requirement for equal protection for every innocent person that our Constitution absolutely requires, and that we demand that every single one of our representatives in government fulfill the primary obligation of their sacred oath.

Did the 0.03% of the vote that you got in the 2012 presidential election give you a mandate to overrule millions of pro-life Americans and to sentence to death unborn children who were conceived more than 20 weeks ago?

I'll reply with the words of Lincoln in this regard, since I agree completely with them:

"Now, my countrymen, if you have been taught doctrines conflicting with the great landmarks of the Declaration of Independence; if you have listened to suggestions which would take away from its grandeur and mutilate the fair symmetry of its proportions; if you have been inclined to believe that all men are not created equal in those inalienable rights enumerated by our chart of liberty, let me entreat you to come back. Return to the fountain whose waters spring close by the blood of the Revolution. Think nothing of me — take no thought for the political fate of any man whomsoever — but come back to the truths that are in the Declaration of Independence. You may do anything with me you choose, if you will but heed these sacred principles. You may not only defeat me for the Senate, but you may take me and put me to death. While pretending no indifference to earthly honors, I do claim to be actuated in this contest by something higher than an anxiety for office. I charge you to drop every paltry and insignificant thought for any man's success. It is nothing; I am nothing; Judge Douglas is nothing. But do not destroy that immortal emblem of Humanity — the Declaration of American Independence."

-- Abraham Lincoln, speech in Lewiston, Illinois, August 17, 1858, four days before his first historic debate with Stephen A. Douglas, Printed in the Chicago Press and Tribune.


83 posted on 06/19/2013 8:25:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: AuH2ORepublican

What progress? Over 55 million innocent babies aborted since Roe v. Wade! Can you show me where this alleged “progress” towards ending abortion can be found? And this bill DOESN’T ban abortion after 20 weeks. Those who have the misfortune of being conceived by an act of rape or incest are still able to be murdered with impunity after 20 weeks! Or, do they not count? Is one to be accused of being “too pure” for wanting to defend their right to life?


112 posted on 06/19/2013 9:37:07 PM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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