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1 posted on 06/16/2013 1:25:22 PM PDT by annalex
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To: JCBreckenridge; KC_Lion; La Lydia; Mrs. Don-o; PJammers; sinsofsolarempirefan
Previously on FR by Dominique Venner:

The reasons for a voluntary death
The revolt of the mothers
“Man must sacrifice his life” – interview with Dominique Venner

2 posted on 06/16/2013 1:27:49 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Belteshazzar; bert; Bigg Red; CharlesMartelsGhost; cunning_fish; dfwgator; DuncanWaring; ...

ping.


3 posted on 06/16/2013 1:28:14 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: blueunicorn6; Cicero; skeeter; andyk; Venturer; Truth is a Weapon; A.A. Cunningham; ...

ping.


4 posted on 06/16/2013 1:28:49 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Everyone who wants to control others (liberals) wants power. Knows they need and require power.

Knowing this they know to be effective they must keep power and maintain it, and often increase it and maintain it.

They keep it by controlling the law and writing the law so as to allow them to keep power.

This is the second greatest reason why a countries’ laws increase greatly. The first is because societal decay destroys individual self-control, so the control of the individual - since they are no longer desiring to govern themselves - reverts back to government, often at the pleading of its own citizens.


5 posted on 06/16/2013 1:32:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: annalex
It sounds like Venner had real trouble with the commercial world in which most of us live today.

The old world nobility that he celebrates also couldn't find outlets for its desire to serve outside of war.

When the war finally came, it swept that class away.

7 posted on 06/16/2013 1:44:17 PM PDT by x
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To: annalex

Renaming the years and events of 1914-1945 as “the Thirty Year War” is neither helpful nor accurate.


10 posted on 06/16/2013 1:47:39 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: annalex

Lots of interesting speculation, but without an anchor.

Europe isn’t just Moses or Homer. Europe was a combination of Athens, Greece, and Rome—but the dominant cultural influence was Christianity.

As the interviewer’s question suggests, however, Venner ignores Christianity. And his response? “Because of His claim of divinity, and His universality, Jesus is apart and on another level entirely. He himself says that His kingdom is not of this world.”

Well, yes. But that is not to say that Christianity has no impact on the culture of Europe and the West.

He is correct in pointing out that “nobility” has its positive aspects. Nobles are trained to care for their dependents: “Noblesse oblige.” That ideal is not always or even often put into practice, but then neither are most other ideals.

On the other hand, freedom is hardly an American invention. It stems ultimately from Christianity. Islam demands submission. Allah is totally arbitrary, and his followers must do whatever he says. The Jewish and Christian God is good and just, and His followers are given the gift of free will, to love and obey God or to disobey and turn away.

The decay of Europe, and also the decay of America, are owing to the same problem: the loss of Christian values as the leading cultural and social determinant.


12 posted on 06/16/2013 1:50:05 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: annalex
"Everyone suggests technical or economic, or institutional remedies for what is a huge crisis of civilization, a metaphysical crisis, existential...Men exist only in their 'representations'...which could also be called prejudices...Men exist only in what distinguishes them: clan, lineage, history, culture, tradition. There is no universal answer to the questions of existence..."

Venner sounds like a garden-variety unwashed Sartre wannabe.

16 posted on 06/16/2013 1:58:23 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: annalex; ProgressingAmerica
Of the four ideologies, obviously that of Wilson was the least harmful...even if not nearly as wholesome as the ideology of George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

Yesterday ProgressingAmerica posted an interesting piece by H. L. Mencken from 1920, mostly about Theodore Roosevelt, but with some choice comments on Wilson (who was still President at the time).

Roosevelt: An Autopsy, by H.L. Mencken (1920)

(f-news/303162)

19 posted on 06/16/2013 2:00:37 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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I meant to add you to my ping as well; you contributed to the previous Venner thread. See my post 8 about the list.


32 posted on 06/16/2013 6:55:45 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Noumenon

Ping.


44 posted on 06/17/2013 6:20:52 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: annalex
"...the attractive ideal of individual freedom and openness to the world of liberalism, mask more or less the predatory oligarchic power associated with the media. We also know that any market power turns people into slaves and consumers of the goods [and ideas and philosophies presented], but these are truths to keep to ourselves. "

Nah, I'll keep the tagline I have LOL!
A strong thinker here, thanks.

57 posted on 06/22/2013 12:45:23 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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