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The Century 1914
dominiquevenner.fr ^ | 23 April, 2009 | Dominique Venner/Pauline Lecomte

Posted on 06/16/2013 1:25:22 PM PDT by annalex

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1 posted on 06/16/2013 1:25:22 PM PDT by annalex
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To: JCBreckenridge; KC_Lion; La Lydia; Mrs. Don-o; PJammers; sinsofsolarempirefan
Previously on FR by Dominique Venner:

The reasons for a voluntary death
The revolt of the mothers
“Man must sacrifice his life” – interview with Dominique Venner

2 posted on 06/16/2013 1:27:49 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Belteshazzar; bert; Bigg Red; CharlesMartelsGhost; cunning_fish; dfwgator; DuncanWaring; ...

ping.


3 posted on 06/16/2013 1:28:14 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: blueunicorn6; Cicero; skeeter; andyk; Venturer; Truth is a Weapon; A.A. Cunningham; ...

ping.


4 posted on 06/16/2013 1:28:49 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Everyone who wants to control others (liberals) wants power. Knows they need and require power.

Knowing this they know to be effective they must keep power and maintain it, and often increase it and maintain it.

They keep it by controlling the law and writing the law so as to allow them to keep power.

This is the second greatest reason why a countries’ laws increase greatly. The first is because societal decay destroys individual self-control, so the control of the individual - since they are no longer desiring to govern themselves - reverts back to government, often at the pleading of its own citizens.


5 posted on 06/16/2013 1:32:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: annalex

thanks


6 posted on 06/16/2013 1:38:48 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: annalex
It sounds like Venner had real trouble with the commercial world in which most of us live today.

The old world nobility that he celebrates also couldn't find outlets for its desire to serve outside of war.

When the war finally came, it swept that class away.

7 posted on 06/16/2013 1:44:17 PM PDT by x
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To: annalex

By the way. Posts 1-3 are the three parts of my ping list. I intend to use it occasionally, perhaps a few times per month, for post on philosophical, historical or political nature, especially on issues dear to me: monarchy, religious conservatism, political right wing, paleolibertarianism, anti-communism and anti-sovietism.

Some of you know me for being sort of bite-your-head-off type Catholic, but I will not engage this ping list for ecumenical brawls I am certain to engage in the future, and I will not encourage religious wars on these threads.

So, I want to consolidate my three lists into one. If your name is on 1-3, and you want to be on the consolidated list, you needn’t do anything. If you are not on any list but want to be, let me know. And if you want off, also let me know.


8 posted on 06/16/2013 1:44:19 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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The greatest reason is something we don’t even recognize: the lack of national consciousness. We plain don’t have national governments, not in the US and not in Europe. The corollary is that every modern government governs like an occupying force, but multiplying rules of curfew.


9 posted on 06/16/2013 1:47:33 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Renaming the years and events of 1914-1945 as “the Thirty Year War” is neither helpful nor accurate.


10 posted on 06/16/2013 1:47:39 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: annalex

CENTRALIZED PLANNING.

Another great Socialist/Communist ideology as to how to the state controls its minions.


11 posted on 06/16/2013 1:49:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: annalex

Lots of interesting speculation, but without an anchor.

Europe isn’t just Moses or Homer. Europe was a combination of Athens, Greece, and Rome—but the dominant cultural influence was Christianity.

As the interviewer’s question suggests, however, Venner ignores Christianity. And his response? “Because of His claim of divinity, and His universality, Jesus is apart and on another level entirely. He himself says that His kingdom is not of this world.”

Well, yes. But that is not to say that Christianity has no impact on the culture of Europe and the West.

He is correct in pointing out that “nobility” has its positive aspects. Nobles are trained to care for their dependents: “Noblesse oblige.” That ideal is not always or even often put into practice, but then neither are most other ideals.

On the other hand, freedom is hardly an American invention. It stems ultimately from Christianity. Islam demands submission. Allah is totally arbitrary, and his followers must do whatever he says. The Jewish and Christian God is good and just, and His followers are given the gift of free will, to love and obey God or to disobey and turn away.

The decay of Europe, and also the decay of America, are owing to the same problem: the loss of Christian values as the leading cultural and social determinant.


12 posted on 06/16/2013 1:50:05 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: x
Venner had real trouble with the commercial world in which most of us live today

I would say it is not "commercial world" but what he calls Americanism, acerbically adding "without the national qualities of Americans". Do you really think that interest in national and religious identity is nothing more than "trouble with the commercial world"? Do you think France or Germany prior to 1914 did not live in the "commercial world"?

13 posted on 06/16/2013 1:54:02 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: HomeAtLast
Renaming the years and events of 1914-1945 as “the Thirty Year War”

It's precise and to the point.

14 posted on 06/16/2013 1:55:05 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Centralized planning has nothing to do with the subject on hand.


15 posted on 06/16/2013 1:55:51 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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"Everyone suggests technical or economic, or institutional remedies for what is a huge crisis of civilization, a metaphysical crisis, existential...Men exist only in their 'representations'...which could also be called prejudices...Men exist only in what distinguishes them: clan, lineage, history, culture, tradition. There is no universal answer to the questions of existence..."

Venner sounds like a garden-variety unwashed Sartre wannabe.

16 posted on 06/16/2013 1:58:23 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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Yes, I agree with you. In France or Germany, for example, — I am no expert on either but I’ve seen stuff on the Internet — everywhere you look you see Christian history, and only marginally, and for pure entertainment, pagan classics.


17 posted on 06/16/2013 1:58:46 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: HomeAtLast

Maybe because Sartre is the only French philosopher you can remember the name of?

And what is wrong with the assertions you quoted, on merits?


18 posted on 06/16/2013 2:00:15 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; ProgressingAmerica
Of the four ideologies, obviously that of Wilson was the least harmful...even if not nearly as wholesome as the ideology of George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

Yesterday ProgressingAmerica posted an interesting piece by H. L. Mencken from 1920, mostly about Theodore Roosevelt, but with some choice comments on Wilson (who was still President at the time).

Roosevelt: An Autopsy, by H.L. Mencken (1920)

(f-news/303162)

19 posted on 06/16/2013 2:00:37 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: annalex
It's precise and to the point

It's still false.

20 posted on 06/16/2013 2:01:01 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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