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To: MacNaughton

I think you have to be careful with opinion polls on this issue. If anyone wants to really know if the outlook on this is positive or negative they should just look at a list of all the states that have addressed the issue by popular voting, how liberal they are, what states have passed amendments around them, when they passed them and by how much. You know, actual votes as opposed to what one stranger says to another over the phone about what they think about ‘gay marriage.’ But when you do that, it still isn’t very rosy at all, in my opinion.

CA’s Prop. 22 passed by 61% in 2000 and Prop. 8 only passed by 52% in 2008, that’s losing 9% in 8 years. NC voted in theirs by 61% last year, basically tying the CA of 12 years before, something that would have made folks call you nuts if you would have told them that in 2000. All the states around NC passed their amendments by 75%+ except VA (57% in 2006) at least 6 years ago.

61% for the BSA isn’t a good sign, although they did reject adult gays to my understanding. Was that voted on?

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94 posted on 06/15/2013 5:30:54 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed
94 ... although they did reject adult gays to my understanding. Was that voted on?

The short answer is "no." On 6/07/2012 BSA spokesman Deron Smith said that the “local option” resolution would go through the NEB process and a recommendation made ready by May 2013 – in time for the next annual National Council business meeting. On 7/17/2012 BSA spokesman Deron Smith announced that after a 2-year study, an 11-member special committee returned a unanimous decision that BSA should retain its current membership policy excluding open homosexuals and atheists. The BSA National Executive Board (~62-72 members) announced on 1/28/2013 that it was preparing to revise the membership standard to include all open homosexuals at it next board meeting on 2/06/2013. This triggered a firestorm reaction from volunteers who opposed the NEB's intention. On 2/06/2013 – BSA spokesman Deron Smith announced that the NEB postponed its vote on the “local option” at today’s NEB business meeting. He also said it would be brought before the entire National Council voting membership for a vote at the next annual National Council business meeting over 5/22-24/2013. The BSA NEB immediately prepared plans to conduct surveys of members at all levels. In early MAR, BSA National began its 3rd Voice of the Scout Survey. On 4/19/2013, the National Executive Committee announced the results of the survey and presented its new membership standards resolution, i.e., BSA should accept open homosexual youth members, but not adults. And that was the resolution voted upon on 5/23/2013.

96 posted on 06/15/2013 6:24:25 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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