The Snowden Effect

Townhall.com ^ | June 14, 2013 | Mark Davis

[B4Ranch]

I don’t care what party Snowden belongs to. Individual liberty is what I care about, yours and mine. Do think the WaTimes would have posted his info?

So far he’s doing just fine, IMO. He won’t have to spread too many details out before I could change my opinion.

If what he’s doing brings forth Term Limits and Flat Tax, all the better.

[B4Ranch]

Manning copied CLASSIFIED embassy cables. He didn’t know if he was burning spies or what he was doing.

[muawiyah]

You know, there's still no evidence out there about that data he's supposedly had access to and took. Been like that since the beginning.

The Good Senator probably ought to have looked at his bill a bit more closely

[Windflier]

...this hack...

Freepers in the Dallas - Ft Worth area know this guy well. He used to be the morning drive guy on WBAP AM. He's an utter RINO.

[dirtboy]

You know, there's still no evidence out there about that data he's supposedly had access to and took. Been like that since the beginning.

Sorry, but the NSA admits that it gathers phone records and internet activity.

Bush-Era NSA Chief Defends PRISM, Phone Metadata Collection

Gen. Michael Hayden, a former director of the National Security Agency, tells NPR's Weekend Edition Sunday that the government's acquisition of phone records and surveillance of Internet activity is lawful and justified by the changing nature of the war on terrorism.

Hayden, who served as NSA chief from 1999-2005 and is also a former CIA director, says NSA's activities are "perfectly legal" and "an accurate reflection of balancing our security and our privacy."

[muawiyah]

We need to use the common words to evaluate what's said. Of course NSA can unquestioningly record all the phone calls in the world except in the US but they don't even do that.

I want to see what Snowden said he had ~ where are the releases he was supposed to have made.

Again, I stand by my position. This guy ain't got the goods; NSA doesn't do what you imagine them to do; Sensenbrenner has no idea what the law he thinks he remembers writing really says; The Chicoms are involved in this one somewhere

[dirtboy]

We need to use the common words to evaluate what's said. Of course NSA can unquestioningly record all the phone calls in the world except in the US but they don't even do that.

Really. After Clapper lied about the NSA not capturing the data they have now admitted to capturing, you believe that?

You are deliberately naive.

[muawiyah]

Clapper probably didn't know beans from shinola, and still doesn't.

This gets back to the fundamental problem with the Obama regime (besides him being a lying s of s) he can't attract talented people. They just aren't there.

Usually there are talented people lined up for these jobs ~ but not with this regime.

[Chaguito]

Snowden = ad hoc Goldstein

Except the proles aren’t buying it.

Yet.

[dirtboy]

Clapper knew darn well. Look up his comment about making the least untruthful answer.

This is EXACTLY why the NSA should not have this data. All it takes is a thug administration and we are all at risk.

[muawiyah]

No doubt Clapper had a pocket full of different sorts of untruthful statements he could make that he was cleared to make ~ and also had no idea which ones were less than truthful or more truthful, or what.

He's the boss. In a highly compartmentalized organization like NSA even he doesn't get to know everything, or even half of everything ~ the compartmentalization is physical. If you've ever been to Mitre Corp, you figure out what's going on in seconds. They even have moveable walls ~ like a Sci Fi story, you may not go to the people you are supposed to meet with, but they can instantly put together a room around you to which they will go to meet you! Have had that happen there.

CIA in Langley is supposedly worse.

NSA has to use the same system.

[dirtboy]

The point is, the NSA should NOT have call history and internet usage history without a warrant. That is a far bigger concern than your bleatings about Snowden. As Sensenbrenner said, he would not know about these NSA excesses without Snowden coming forward.

[muawiyah]

Funny little foreign guys are fair game ~ the authority of US courts does not extend beyond the boundaries of the USA.

That's not a minor quibble BTW.

Your argument is you always need a warrant to see something but you don't which is why the 4th speaks of unreasonable ~ and that's where the debate should center ~ you just can't ignore that term. I know you want to but we didn't get our Independence from England by getting warrants to watch them.

[Orangedog]

Manning copied CLASSIFIED embassy cables. He didn’t know if he was burning spies or what he was doing.

Meh. Dick Armitage is living proof you can burn a CIA front company and everyone involved with it and never see the inside of a jail cell.

[dirtboy]

Funny little foreign guys are fair game ~ the authority of US courts does not extend beyond the boundaries of the USA.

They are not just gathering data on just foreign people, and you know it.

I know you want to but we didn't get our Independence from England by getting warrants to watch them.

Once again, the author of the Patriot Act, Representative Sensenbrenner, says what the NSA is doing violates that legislation.

You are spinning like a top. Why is it so hard to just admit the NSA is overstepping its bounds by capturing call data on millions of Americans?

[muawiyah]

i made a comment on Sensenbrenner ~ guess you agree with that one.

[muawiyah]

So it's OK for AT&T to have all that data, and they allow Chicom stockholders to vote at their annual meetings, but it's not OK for the US gub'mnt to have it?

Can I say we know where you're coming from

[Gene Eric]

>> Swowden is a media squirrel. Look Squirrel!!!

Exactly.

[skeeter]

Exactly the position I would expect a flake like Mark Davis to take.

[dirtboy]

AT&T can’t arrest. me, you moron.