Posted on 06/11/2013 5:02:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
(VIDEO AT LINK)
During an interview with FOX Business, former Rep. Ron Paul explained that he was concerned about the well-being of National Security Agency whistle-blower Edward Snowden.
“I’m worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile or a drone missile,” Paul explained. “I mean we live in a bad time where American citizens don’t even have rights and that they can be killed, but the gentlemen is trying to tell the truth about what’s going on.”
Paul added that there were no signs of Snowden defecting to a foreign country, which meant that he was not really a threat.....
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We’ll have to disagree then...for I definately believe Snowden has made himself an instrument that can affect our Nat’l Security...regardless of how one views the Constitution...It isn’t in play much these days...it’s brought up ..but the ‘actions’ of our Gov. and the ‘Players” within and without evidence the Constitution is given lip service without inforcing it.
Our borders are a perfect example of this as are many other issues this nation faces. It simply is being abused..at best.
The Patriot Act was conceived in secrecy BEFORE George W. Bush was even President. It's details were neither debated OR read by legislators.
It's broad-sweeping confiscatory powers of private data violate the 4th Amendment, thus making it an illegal and unconstitutional instrument that's eventually been used to spy on....American citizens without their consent. In the hands of the Kenyan and his minions, it's been a sledgehammer of intimidation and blackmail.
Think about it. Do you REALLY support this?
Amen!
You continue to respond from the standpoint of the Constitution ..though understandable...it’s pretty obvious to most our Gov. does not operate according to it and it’s not being enforced by our Representatives...regardless of how lip service is paid to it.
So where does that leave the American Citizen? An open book to any who desire to know and accumulate information. This should not be surprising...
So of course the Gov. will act ‘unlawfully’...and at minimum devise laws around it to further this nations path we are on.
This does not give our Intelligence Agents freedom to put our country in danger....which IMO is exactly what Snowden has done...and looks to do more of regardless of what he states otherwise. He’s already gone to the Hong Kong Morning Post with more information....
I see him more as a Defector who gathered up Intelligence and then split with it, and now using it for however he determines might be advantageous to his situation he’s put himself in.
Couldn't disagree more on that assessment with all due respect. IMO it's a red herring issue. That narrative can be the only narrative with which this Administration, this Guv, and the NSA are able to defend themselves -- as they've trashed the 4th Amendment for no good reason. I don't happen to believe our Nat'l Security is in jeopardy at all as result of Snowden's revelation that We The People have been the target of NSA snooping.
but the ‘actions’ of our Gov. and the ‘Players” within and without evidence the Constitution is given lip service without inforcing it...Our borders are a perfect example of this as are many other issues this nation faces. It simply is being abused..at best.
We are in total agreement here.
Is he? Do you know that for a fact or are you assuming?
It would be no great secret that both the US and China monitor each other. And besides -- Snowden is a low-level intel grunt (who just happened to know enough about how the US Guv is using taxpayer money to sponsor and buying spying apparatus SOLELY TO MONITOR ITS OWN INNOCENT CITIZENS.) The evidence suggests conservatives have been THE target. Does that bother you at all?
I've always assumed our military technology and secrets have been for sale to the highest bidder ever since Bubba openly sold/exchanged them to the ChiComs for campaign contributions. Did you forget that?
<....They’ve trashed the 4th Amendment for no good reason”.....>
They would disagree with you that is without good reason....they can and will justify or escape that reasoning as we have many times seen and heard.
<...” I don’t happen to believe our Nat’l Security is in jeopardy at all as result of Snowden’s revelation”....>
Snowden showed our adversaries what our capabilities are....and every time a news story is printed it furthers that to all the ears looking and listening.....thus they change their tactics and forms of communication. Even the dummie terrorists become more cautious and careful...thus limiting our ability to know what they are doing.
Now, he is informing the Chinese about “who,” “what,” and “where” the USA was spying on the Chinese....and then PROVIDED them with Intelligence “Documents” to support this.
To say he’s innocent of being a Nat’l Security threat is a huge mistake.....and who will he next reveal “secrets”, better left as secrets, to??????
Which is different from what Bush was doing how?
It appeared to be that they supported him.
Ben said it and Snowden fled the country for a little temporary safety.
Who exactly have verified that charge and claim that Snowden has "showed our adversaries what our capabilities are"? Jay Carney? Clapper? Boehner? The "Snowden = 'Traitor'" meme is the only card they have to play.
*IF* a low-level grunt actually possesses has THAT kind of knowledge, then how many tens of thousands of others potentially possess it?
No, this is the false narrative of a desperate guv and Police State caught with its collective anti-4th Amendment fangs in the cookie jar; The same one whose false CYA narrative will be parroted by the usual suspects within the state-owned MSM along with various allies and enablers of glorious bi-partisan Big Guv Statism everywhere.
Dummie terrorists, smart terrorists, illegal invaders, and subversives of all kinds will operate with the same impunity and lack of fear as they ALWAYS have.
Now, he is informing the Chinese about “who,” “what,” and “where” the USA was spying on the Chinese....and then PROVIDED them with Intelligence “Documents” to support this.
RED HERRING. Again -- can you provide the source(s) that claim low-level intel grunt Snowden possesses classified docs and info that endanger and expose American security AND is indeed passing them on to the ChiComs? Heck -- if the ChiComs really want to know something of REAL importance, they'll merely buy any number of willing treasonous Congressmen, Senators, and double-agents already engaged in industrial/tech espionage.
Can you please clarify your point?
Well THAT settles it, eh? No American's private emails, phone records, and financial records are being recorded illegally? Is THAT what we're being led to believe now that the cat is out of the bag? One would have to be stunningly naive to buy into one more case of ridiculous spin from this guv.
Drudge's "news" is nothing but spoon-fed disinfo ordered to be "headline nooze" BY a guv which is proven repeatedly to intimidate and bully until it gets what it wants. As to the testimony from the NSA Chair...REALLY?? What next? "Testimony" from a fox-in-the-henhouse claiming the chickens were conspiring to eat HIM??
And justifiably so. He'd be "accidented" at the nearest Ft. Marcy Pk in a nanosecond were he still hanging around.
We don’t need someone’s statements to validate what our own common sense could tell us. We have the ability to discern and or not what is being presented....but if they agree so be it.
There are many who have his knowledge...do you think he is the only individual? The difference is he’s now revealing specific intelligence to a foreign press...and not just one...additionally doing so in full view of the International audiance....which should make all suspescious of his intentions regardless if what he states they are.
Who are you kidding that the gov. got caught....”Big Brother” has been doing this for decades....Snowden is being played and playing a very dangerous game....that is not hard to see...and he’s enjoying every bit of it.
Snowden will rat himself out in due time..just as we are seeing...give him enough rope..which is what better minds are doing...and he’ll hang himself. He’s being incredibly stupid for claiming to be the authority he proclaims.
Why wasn’t Bradley Manning “accidented”?
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