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New Jersey police officer accused of shooting man dead in road rage incident
Fox News ^ | 10 June 2013

Posted on 06/10/2013 4:44:58 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

A New Jersey police officer is being held on $1 million bail after he allegedly shot and killed a man in an apparent act of road rage while traveling with his family in Maryland. My FoxNY.com reports police say 40-year-old Joseph Walker, a sworn officer with the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office in New Jersey, shot and killed 36-year-old Joseph Harvey Jr. after an altercation on the shoulder of an interstate Saturday night.

Officials in Maryland say they were told that a road rage incident had happened between the two vehicles before they pulled over. Harvey had one passenger in his car at the time and Walker's wife and three children were in his minivan.


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To: wideawake; House Atreides
Perhaps he stopped because he was concerned for his family's safety.

Congratulations, you just got the most ridicules post of the day award!

What a hoot!

61 posted on 06/10/2013 9:36:27 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hulka

Just a quick question: Do you have to wait until you are getting your head smashed into the pavement before you can take steps to defend yourself with a firearm?

And if so, just how are you assured you will be conscience enough to act defensively if you take a hard hit that drives you to the ground?
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Maryland State Police Spokeswoman Elena Russo said the autopsy on Harvey showed he was shot three times. “None of the wounds showed evidence of being fired at close range,” she said.

http://www.hngn.com/articles/4918/20130610/road-rage-murder-traveling-wife-children-new-jersey-detective-allegedly.htm


62 posted on 06/10/2013 9:37:22 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Alaska Wolf

No, just evidence that while the statement is hyperbolic, the problem is not rare and becoming more common.

Pretending it isn’t happening, doesn’t make it go away.


63 posted on 06/10/2013 9:37:48 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1
Pretending it isn’t happening,

Pretending it is happening everyday doesn't make it true, does it?

64 posted on 06/10/2013 9:40:14 AM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: dragnet2
Congratulations, you just got the most ridicules post of the day award!

I assume you mean "ridiculous."

Please explain why this is so.

Are there not many circumstances on the road when stopping, rather than continuing on, is the safer option?

I already gave you one - are you saying that you prefer to remain on the road when someone else is driving erratically or dangerously?

65 posted on 06/10/2013 9:54:10 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Alaska Wolf
Police Involved Shootings 2011: Annual Report

In 2011, according to data I have collected, police officers in the United States shot 1,146 people, killing 607. Since January 1, 2011, I have been using the internet to compile a national database of police involved shootings. The term "police involved shooting" pertains to law enforcement officers who, in the line of duty, discharge their guns. When journalists and police administrators use the term, they include the shooting of animals and shots that miss their targets. My case files only include instances in which a person is either killed or wounded by police gunfire. My data also includes off-duty officers who discharged their weapons in law enforcement situations. They don't include, for example, officers using their firearms to resolve personal disputes.

http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2012/01/police-involved-shootings-2011-annual.html

This statistic is a little old, but if you add dogs, then it's pretty close to every day.

The Kleck study shows that police shoot and kill around 600 criminals each year. Yet the University of Chicago study shows that police killed 330 innocent individuals in 1993. That means that for every two criminals killed by police, one innocent citizen is killed by police. Although I have the greatest respect for the police and how they must respond under pressure, I think that I would much rather trust an armed populace.

http://actionamerica.org/guns/guns1.shtml

66 posted on 06/10/2013 9:56:17 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: School of Rational Thought
Come on, based on the story, the cop who shot was arrested with a million dollar bail!

Seems to me the local police and DA knows more than us.

Let’s not forget that he’s currently in jail based on this. If it was self defense, there'd probably be no arrest (and I acknowledge this is an assumption, also. But cops don’t arrest cops generally unless it is a very blatant crime).

From the article: Troopers charged Walker on Sunday with second degree murder and manslaughter, and he remains in a Maryland jail on $1 million bond.

67 posted on 06/10/2013 10:04:38 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Valpal1
you add dogs, then it's pretty close to every day.

Pretending doesn't make it true, does it?

68 posted on 06/10/2013 10:05:19 AM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: House Atreides
They’d probably also sit a relatively low bail for this killer.

From the article: Troopers charged Walker on Sunday with second degree murder and manslaughter, and he remains in a Maryland jail on $1 million bond.

69 posted on 06/10/2013 10:06:59 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

“....he remains in a Maryland jail on $1 million bond.”
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I hope it remains at that level; but it’s early in the game. Fortunately Anne Arundel county is one of the more conservative (relative to the mad-dog progressism dominating other nearby areas of Maryland) localities. His attorneys may well request a change of venue if this proceeds.


70 posted on 06/10/2013 10:19:41 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Alaska Wolf

Do the math, dude. In 1993 they shot over 300 INNOCENT persons. Add dogs (an uncollected stat) and it would easily be every day. And that is just innocent peeps. Add in actual criminals, it comes to several a day by 2011 statistics.

So I guess it is true. Cops shoot people and dogs every day.

The same gun fact website states the police error rate is 11% versus a 2% civilian rate.

Doesn’t matter which way you slice it, LEO have become thugs operating with near impunity in many jurisdictions.

There is a problem and technology has ramped up the ability of the average citizen to document and expose it.


71 posted on 06/10/2013 10:40:35 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: wideawake
Are there not many circumstances on the road when stopping, rather than continuing on, is the safer option?

Actually, no there aren't. Unless you can stop in a well lit area with other people, the more the better, you are better off continuing on while dialing 911 to report the make, model and license of the vehicle harassing you. Honking your horn and turning on your flashers to attract the attention of other drivers (and spur additional 911 calls) is also a good idea.

Confrontation is the more dangerous situation. A pissing match with a total stranger on an on ramp is always stupid. Unless you're a comic book super hero, nothing good will come of it.

72 posted on 06/10/2013 10:52:00 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1
You pull off to avoid a confrontation, not to initiate one.

If the aggressor pulled off, I would keep on going.

When the aggressor remains on the road, I pull off.

Remaining on the road with a person who is trying to provoke an accident is a terrible idea.

73 posted on 06/10/2013 11:18:39 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: House Atreides

What is “close range?”

Someone getting within arms reach can certainly take you down (and out) before you have a chance to fire.

I think I read 21 feet is about the closest you can allow someone to come, any closer than that and you can’t avoid direct physical contact. . .and try shooting someone that unexpectantly bolts at you from 21-feet.


74 posted on 06/10/2013 11:26:43 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Valpal1
Do the math, dude

That isn't documentation that cops murder citizens and dogs every day, is it dudette?

75 posted on 06/10/2013 11:27:01 AM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Valpal1

Link please. Interesting stats.


76 posted on 06/10/2013 11:27:46 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: wideawake

Pulling over may be viewed as an invitation to confront and certainly gives them the opportunity.

Slowing down and moving over so that they can then forge ahead is a better option. Certainly they can have the road if they want it, but I would not stop on the shoulder of any highway unless forced to by mechanical failure.

These two nimrods stopped on an on ramp.


77 posted on 06/10/2013 11:28:24 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Alas Babylon!

“If it was self defense, there’d probably be no arrest”

Ask George Zimmerman about that.

;-)


78 posted on 06/10/2013 11:29:17 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Links are in post 64.


79 posted on 06/10/2013 11:30:22 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Valpal1

tnx


80 posted on 06/10/2013 11:30:49 AM PDT by Hulka
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